Hi friends, the subject line says it all... I'm in the progress of updating stackless to use mercurial on python.org and talked to Martin v. Loewis who pointed out the restrictions of Bitbucket. Besides the impression that Bitbucket is pretty slow, it is also not possible to add our own hooks to it. I'm pretty sure python.org would be happy to host PyPy. Is there any good reason why we don't ask and move to python.org? cheers - chris -- Christian Tismer :^)<mailto:tismer@stackless.com> tismerysoft GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9A : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 802 86 56 mobile +49 173 24 18 776 fax +49 30 80 90 57 05 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/
2011/6/22 Christian Tismer <tismer@stackless.com>:
Hi friends,
the subject line says it all...
I'm in the progress of updating stackless to use mercurial on python.org and talked to Martin v. Loewis who pointed out the restrictions of Bitbucket. Besides the impression that Bitbucket is pretty slow, it is also not possible to add our own hooks to it.
The impression that Bitbucket is slow? What does that mean? I don't find python.org any faster than Bitbucket.
I'm pretty sure python.org would be happy to host PyPy. Is there any good reason why we don't ask and move to python.org?
I didn't do the mercurial transition, but I'm pretty happy with bitbucket. -- Regards, Benjamin
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Benjamin Peterson <benjamin@python.org> wrote:
2011/6/22 Christian Tismer <tismer@stackless.com>:
Hi friends,
the subject line says it all...
I'm in the progress of updating stackless to use mercurial on python.org and talked to Martin v. Loewis who pointed out the restrictions of Bitbucket. Besides the impression that Bitbucket is pretty slow, it is also not possible to add our own hooks to it.
The impression that Bitbucket is slow? What does that mean? I don't find python.org any faster than Bitbucket.
I'm pretty sure python.org would be happy to host PyPy. Is there any good reason why we don't ask and move to python.org?
I didn't do the mercurial transition, but I'm pretty happy with bitbucket.
I think there are good reasons for and against, but as of now we don't need to do anything to stay on bitbucket, which is good enough. Besides they sent us free shirts!
On 6/22/11 7:30 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
2011/6/22 Christian Tismer<tismer@stackless.com>:
Hi friends,
the subject line says it all...
I'm in the progress of updating stackless to use mercurial on python.org and talked to Martin v. Loewis who pointed out the restrictions of Bitbucket. Besides the impression that Bitbucket is pretty slow, it is also not possible to add our own hooks to it. The impression that Bitbucket is slow? What does that mean? I don't find python.org any faster than Bitbucket.
I'm pretty sure python.org would be happy to host PyPy. Is there any good reason why we don't ask and move to python.org? I didn't do the mercurial transition, but I'm pretty happy with bitbucket.
This is no answer but an opinion ;-) I was asking why we don't use python.org instead of bitbucket. Before, we had codespeak.net which was very convenient because I knew all relevant people in person. Python used sourceforge before, but preferred to have the freedom to host their data themselves. By using python.org, PyPy would have similar convenience as before. Therefore my question: What makes bitbucket the better choice over python.org, despite free t-shirts? (which might be an important reason for some :-) ) still wondering -- chris -- Christian Tismer :^)<mailto:tismer@stackless.com> tismerysoft GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9A : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 802 86 56 mobile +49 173 24 18 776 fax +49 30 80 90 57 05 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/
Hi Christian, On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 17:51 +0200, Christian Tismer wrote:
On 6/22/11 7:30 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
2011/6/22 Christian Tismer<tismer@stackless.com>:
Hi friends,
the subject line says it all...
I'm in the progress of updating stackless to use mercurial on python.org and talked to Martin v. Loewis who pointed out the restrictions of Bitbucket. Besides the impression that Bitbucket is pretty slow, it is also not possible to add our own hooks to it. The impression that Bitbucket is slow? What does that mean? I don't find python.org any faster than Bitbucket.
I'm pretty sure python.org would be happy to host PyPy. Is there any good reason why we don't ask and move to python.org? I didn't do the mercurial transition, but I'm pretty happy with bitbucket.
This is no answer but an opinion ;-)
I was asking why we don't use python.org instead of bitbucket.
I don't remember any big comparison analysis. Some people pushed for bitbucket, a number was using it already, and the others didn't mind. The main effort and focus was on the conversion of the svn repository, anyway.
Before, we had codespeak.net which was very convenient because I knew all relevant people in person.
We have some personal contacts to bitbucket - they actually sponsor an unlimited plan for PyPy. Moreover, some pypy devs wanted a hosting solution where we do not depend on private connects or work but can rather rely on a company basing their business on such hosting.
Python used sourceforge before, but preferred to have the freedom to host their data themselves. By using python.org, PyPy would have similar convenience as before. Therefore my question: What makes bitbucket the better choice over python.org, despite free t-shirts? (which might be an important reason for some :-) )
PyPy has by now quite some integration code wrt to bitbucket. It seems all are quite happy with bitbucket services as it stands. So seen from now the question probably rather is why we should move anywhere else. best, holger
still wondering -- chris
-- Christian Tismer :^)<mailto:tismer@stackless.com> tismerysoft GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9A : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 802 86 56 mobile +49 173 24 18 776 fax +49 30 80 90 57 05 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/
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On 6/26/11 12:27 PM, holger krekel wrote:
Hi Christian,
On 6/22/11 7:30 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
2011/6/22 Christian Tismer<tismer@stackless.com>:
Hi friends,
the subject line says it all...
I'm in the progress of updating stackless to use mercurial on python.org and talked to Martin v. Loewis who pointed out the restrictions of Bitbucket. Besides the impression that Bitbucket is pretty slow, it is also not possible to add our own hooks to it. The impression that Bitbucket is slow? What does that mean? I don't find python.org any faster than Bitbucket.
I'm pretty sure python.org would be happy to host PyPy. Is there any good reason why we don't ask and move to python.org? I didn't do the mercurial transition, but I'm pretty happy with bitbucket. This is no answer but an opinion ;-)
I was asking why we don't use python.org instead of bitbucket. I don't remember any big comparison analysis. Some people
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 17:51 +0200, Christian Tismer wrote: pushed for bitbucket, a number was using it already, and the others didn't mind. The main effort and focus was on the conversion of the svn repository, anyway.
Before, we had codespeak.net which was very convenient because I knew all relevant people in person. We have some personal contacts to bitbucket - they actually sponsor an unlimited plan for PyPy. Moreover, some pypy devs wanted a hosting solution where we do not depend on private connects or work but can rather rely on a company basing their business on such hosting.
Well, I understand that all. Maybe I was implicitly assuming that everybody felt like me: It is an honor for Stackless Python to live on python.org, and probably also a positive sign, like some acceptance by core python. That made me wonder. If I had a chance to use python.org instead of anything else, I'd always prefer python.org, unless it has a significant drawback, or they told me "no, go somewhere else" ;-)
Python used sourceforge before, but preferred to have the freedom to host their data themselves. By using python.org, PyPy would have similar convenience as before. Therefore my question: What makes bitbucket the better choice over python.org, despite free t-shirts? (which might be an important reason for some :-) ) PyPy has by now quite some integration code wrt to bitbucket. It seems all are quite happy with bitbucket services as it stands. So seen from now the question probably rather is why we should move anywhere else.
Well, as said, I see a positive political effect in moving to python.org that I (personally) would not underestimate. But PyPy is maybe popular enough that my point doesn't really exist, or even vice versa - maybe the distinction is even welcome. ;-) cheers - chris -- Christian Tismer :^)<mailto:tismer@stackless.com> tismerysoft GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9A : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 802 86 56 mobile +49 173 24 18 776 fax +49 30 80 90 57 05 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:37 +0200, Christian Tismer wrote:
On 6/26/11 12:27 PM, holger krekel wrote:
Hi Christian,
On 6/22/11 7:30 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
2011/6/22 Christian Tismer<tismer@stackless.com>:
Hi friends,
the subject line says it all...
I'm in the progress of updating stackless to use mercurial on python.org and talked to Martin v. Loewis who pointed out the restrictions of Bitbucket. Besides the impression that Bitbucket is pretty slow, it is also not possible to add our own hooks to it. The impression that Bitbucket is slow? What does that mean? I don't find python.org any faster than Bitbucket.
I'm pretty sure python.org would be happy to host PyPy. Is there any good reason why we don't ask and move to python.org? I didn't do the mercurial transition, but I'm pretty happy with bitbucket. This is no answer but an opinion ;-)
I was asking why we don't use python.org instead of bitbucket. I don't remember any big comparison analysis. Some people
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 17:51 +0200, Christian Tismer wrote: pushed for bitbucket, a number was using it already, and the others didn't mind. The main effort and focus was on the conversion of the svn repository, anyway.
Before, we had codespeak.net which was very convenient because I knew all relevant people in person. We have some personal contacts to bitbucket - they actually sponsor an unlimited plan for PyPy. Moreover, some pypy devs wanted a hosting solution where we do not depend on private connects or work but can rather rely on a company basing their business on such hosting.
Well, I understand that all. Maybe I was implicitly assuming that everybody felt like me: It is an honor for Stackless Python to live on python.org, and probably also a positive sign, like some acceptance by core python.
That made me wonder. If I had a chance to use python.org instead of anything else, I'd always prefer python.org, unless it has a significant drawback, or they told me "no, go somewhere else" ;-)
Python used sourceforge before, but preferred to have the freedom to host their data themselves. By using python.org, PyPy would have similar convenience as before. Therefore my question: What makes bitbucket the better choice over python.org, despite free t-shirts? (which might be an important reason for some :-) ) PyPy has by now quite some integration code wrt to bitbucket. It seems all are quite happy with bitbucket services as it stands. So seen from now the question probably rather is why we should move anywhere else.
Well, as said, I see a positive political effect in moving to python.org that I (personally) would not underestimate.
I agree, it would have this positive political effect so that is clearly on the pro side. It did when i moved the mailing lists to mail.python.org. For what i know, we are welcome to move our repositories to python.org.
But PyPy is maybe popular enough that my point doesn't really exist, or even vice versa - maybe the distinction is even welcome. ;-)
Heh, dunno. At this stage it would cause some pain but not much technical gain to again move somewhere else. And i think a number of pypy devs are happy with not having to care or think about infrastructure issues or change of dev habits. cheers, holger holger
cheers - chris
-- Christian Tismer :^)<mailto:tismer@stackless.com> tismerysoft GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9A : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 802 86 56 mobile +49 173 24 18 776 fax +49 30 80 90 57 05 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/
Hi, having a synced repo on python.org might be a help however i wouldn't want push-permission handling there, since we are probably a bit ore lax about giving new talents access to the repo. Simply having a synced repo on pythong.org might have a better effect for visibility. -- Ronny On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 12:21 +0000, holger krekel wrote:
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:37 +0200, Christian Tismer wrote:
On 6/26/11 12:27 PM, holger krekel wrote:
Hi Christian,
On 6/22/11 7:30 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
2011/6/22 Christian Tismer<tismer@stackless.com>:
Hi friends,
the subject line says it all...
I'm in the progress of updating stackless to use mercurial on python.org and talked to Martin v. Loewis who pointed out the restrictions of Bitbucket. Besides the impression that Bitbucket is pretty slow, it is also not possible to add our own hooks to it. The impression that Bitbucket is slow? What does that mean? I don't find python.org any faster than Bitbucket.
I'm pretty sure python.org would be happy to host PyPy. Is there any good reason why we don't ask and move to python.org? I didn't do the mercurial transition, but I'm pretty happy with bitbucket. This is no answer but an opinion ;-)
I was asking why we don't use python.org instead of bitbucket. I don't remember any big comparison analysis. Some people
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 17:51 +0200, Christian Tismer wrote: pushed for bitbucket, a number was using it already, and the others didn't mind. The main effort and focus was on the conversion of the svn repository, anyway.
Before, we had codespeak.net which was very convenient because I knew all relevant people in person. We have some personal contacts to bitbucket - they actually sponsor an unlimited plan for PyPy. Moreover, some pypy devs wanted a hosting solution where we do not depend on private connects or work but can rather rely on a company basing their business on such hosting.
Well, I understand that all. Maybe I was implicitly assuming that everybody felt like me: It is an honor for Stackless Python to live on python.org, and probably also a positive sign, like some acceptance by core python.
That made me wonder. If I had a chance to use python.org instead of anything else, I'd always prefer python.org, unless it has a significant drawback, or they told me "no, go somewhere else" ;-)
Python used sourceforge before, but preferred to have the freedom to host their data themselves. By using python.org, PyPy would have similar convenience as before. Therefore my question: What makes bitbucket the better choice over python.org, despite free t-shirts? (which might be an important reason for some :-) ) PyPy has by now quite some integration code wrt to bitbucket. It seems all are quite happy with bitbucket services as it stands. So seen from now the question probably rather is why we should move anywhere else.
Well, as said, I see a positive political effect in moving to python.org that I (personally) would not underestimate.
I agree, it would have this positive political effect so that is clearly on the pro side. It did when i moved the mailing lists to mail.python.org.
For what i know, we are welcome to move our repositories to python.org.
But PyPy is maybe popular enough that my point doesn't really exist, or even vice versa - maybe the distinction is even welcome. ;-)
Heh, dunno. At this stage it would cause some pain but not much technical gain to again move somewhere else. And i think a number of pypy devs are happy with not having to care or think about infrastructure issues or change of dev habits.
cheers, holger
holger
cheers - chris
-- Christian Tismer :^)<mailto:tismer@stackless.com> tismerysoft GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9A : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 802 86 56 mobile +49 173 24 18 776 fax +49 30 80 90 57 05 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/
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Hi Ronny, I heard you are very knowledgeable on hg and helped pypy quite a lot. May I ask you for some help for stackless as well? Are you on the stackless list? Well, I'll contact you directly. cheers - chris On 6/27/11 7:40 AM, Ronny Pfannschmidt wrote:
Hi,
having a synced repo on python.org might be a help however i wouldn't want push-permission handling there, since we are probably a bit ore lax about giving new talents access to the repo.
Simply having a synced repo on pythong.org might have a better effect for visibility.
-- Ronny
On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 12:21 +0000, holger krekel wrote:
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:37 +0200, Christian Tismer wrote:
On 6/26/11 12:27 PM, holger krekel wrote:
Hi Christian,
On 6/22/11 7:30 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
2011/6/22 Christian Tismer<tismer@stackless.com>: > Hi friends, > > the subject line says it all... > > I'm in the progress of updating stackless to use mercurial on > python.org and talked to Martin v. Loewis who pointed out > the restrictions of Bitbucket. > Besides the impression that Bitbucket is pretty slow, it is also not > possible to add our own hooks to it. The impression that Bitbucket is slow? What does that mean? I don't find python.org any faster than Bitbucket.
> I'm pretty sure python.org would be happy to host PyPy. > Is there any good reason why we don't ask and move to python.org? I didn't do the mercurial transition, but I'm pretty happy with bitbucket. This is no answer but an opinion ;-)
I was asking why we don't use python.org instead of bitbucket. I don't remember any big comparison analysis. Some people
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 17:51 +0200, Christian Tismer wrote: pushed for bitbucket, a number was using it already, and the others didn't mind. The main effort and focus was on the conversion of the svn repository, anyway.
Before, we had codespeak.net which was very convenient because I knew all relevant people in person. We have some personal contacts to bitbucket - they actually sponsor an unlimited plan for PyPy. Moreover, some pypy devs wanted a hosting solution where we do not depend on private connects or work but can rather rely on a company basing their business on such hosting.
Well, I understand that all. Maybe I was implicitly assuming that everybody felt like me: It is an honor for Stackless Python to live on python.org, and probably also a positive sign, like some acceptance by core python.
Python used sourceforge before, but preferred to have the freedom to host their data themselves. By using python.org, PyPy would have similar convenience as before. Therefore my question: What makes bitbucket the better choice over python.org, despite free t-shirts? (which might be an important reason for some :-) ) PyPy has by now quite some integration code wrt to bitbucket. It seems all are quite happy with bitbucket services as it stands. So seen from now the question probably rather is why we should move anywhere else. Well, as said, I see a positive political effect in moving to python.org
That made me wonder. If I had a chance to use python.org instead of anything else, I'd always prefer python.org, unless it has a significant drawback, or they told me "no, go somewhere else" ;-) that I (personally) would not underestimate. I agree, it would have this positive political effect so that is clearly on the pro side. It did when i moved the mailing lists to mail.python.org.
For what i know, we are welcome to move our repositories to python.org.
But PyPy is maybe popular enough that my point doesn't really exist, or even vice versa - maybe the distinction is even welcome. ;-) Heh, dunno. At this stage it would cause some pain but not much technical gain to again move somewhere else. And i think a number of pypy devs are happy with not having to care or think about infrastructure issues or change of dev habits.
cheers, holger
holger
cheers - chris
-- Christian Tismer :^)<mailto:tismer@stackless.com> tismerysoft GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9A : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 802 86 56 mobile +49 173 24 18 776 fax +49 30 80 90 57 05 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/
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-- Christian Tismer :^)<mailto:tismer@stackless.com> tismerysoft GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9A : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 802 86 56 mobile +49 173 24 18 776 fax +49 30 80 90 57 05 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:37, Christian Tismer <tismer@stackless.com> wrote:
Well, I understand that all. Maybe I was implicitly assuming that everybody felt like me: It is an honor for Stackless Python to live on python.org, and probably also a positive sign, like some acceptance by core python.
From a user point of view, I feel the same thing.
That made me wonder. If I had a chance to use python.org instead of anything else, I'd always prefer python.org, unless it has a significant drawback, or they told me "no, go somewhere else" ;-)
A solution could be to use bitbucket for the day to day job, and push on python.org regularly (each release?). The cost is very low. -- Sebastien Douche <sdouche@gmail.com> Twitter : @sdouche
On 6/26/11 3:15 PM, Sebastien Douche wrote:
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:37, Christian Tismer<tismer@stackless.com> wrote:
Well, I understand that all. Maybe I was implicitly assuming that everybody felt like me: It is an honor for Stackless Python to live on python.org, and probably also a positive sign, like some acceptance by core python. From a user point of view, I feel the same thing.
That made me wonder. If I had a chance to use python.org instead of anything else, I'd always prefer python.org, unless it has a significant drawback, or they told me "no, go somewhere else" ;-) A solution could be to use bitbucket for the day to day job, and push on python.org regularly (each release?). The cost is very low.
Yes, this sounds like a sensible solution. Thanks for all comments so far, I appreciate this! If it turns out to be the best solution anyway, well, then we could do this for the stackless repos too... I will discuss this with the pypy guys, too - we are sprinting right now in Genua, and also ask the core stackless people. cheers -- chris -- Christian Tismer :^)<mailto:tismer@stackless.com> tismerysoft GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9A : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 802 86 56 mobile +49 173 24 18 776 fax +49 30 80 90 57 05 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/
On 26-06-2011, Christian Tismer wrote:
Maybe I was implicitly assuming that everybody felt like me: It is an honor for Stackless Python to live on python.org, and probably also a positive sign, like some acceptance by core python.
As a simple user, this argument catch me also... -- William Dodé - http://flibuste.net Informaticien Indépendant
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