I've already proposed something like this a looong time ago and guido even said it is a good idea. I never got around to implementing it. How difficult would be to port this to CPython? The patch seems very concise On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote:

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:

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Have you considered bringing this up on python-ideas, too?

python-idea is generally quite a hostile place. That said, if you think it's worth your effort to submit it there, feel free to do so, just the core pypy devs feel their time is better spent elsewhere than arguing on python-ideas

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On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Carl Friedrich Bolz

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Hi all,

I read this paper today about common mistakes that Python beginners make:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307088989_Some_

Trouble_with_Transparency_An_Analysis_of_Student_Errors_ with_Object-oriented_Python

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The most common one by far is forgetting the "self" parameter in the method definition (which also still happens to me regularly). The error message is not particularly enlightening, if you don't quite understand the explicit self in Python.

So I wonder whether we should print a better error message, something like this:

$ cat m.py class A(object): def f(x): return self.x A().f(1)

$ pypy m.py Traceback (application-level): File "m.py", line 4 in <module> A().f(1) TypeError: f() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given). Did you forget 'self' in the function definition?

It's a bit the question how clever we would like this to be to reduce false positives, see the attached patch for a very simple approach.

Anyone have opinions?

Cheers,

Carl Friedrich

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On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Carl Friedrich Bolz wrote:

Ah, cool. Do you have a link to the mailing list discussion?

Oh I really couldn't find it, maybe my memory is failing me (i did found a discussion from 2007 about something related to that (internationalization of messages, but there is no input from Guido and the discussion didn't go anywhere) I can take it to python-ideas and see it through. -- Leonardo Santagada