a binary installer for MacPython 2.3b2 is available through <http://www.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython.html>, or (for the impatient) directly at <http://www.cwi.nl/ftp/jack/python/mac/MacPython-OSX-2.3b2-2.dmg>. This installer gives you a framework-based Python, which has all the normal unix-python functionality, lots of extension modules to interface to technology such as Carbon, Quicktime and AppleScript, plus the IDE, the Package Manager, the ability to create small semi-standalone applications and more. Please try it, and send feedback either straight to me or (preferably) to pythonmac-sig@python.org. -- - Jack Jansen <Jack.Jansen@oratrix.com> http://www.cwi.nl/~jack - - If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution -- Emma Goldman -