The Vancouver Python and Zope user groups next meeting is on Oct 4th, at the usual place, ActiveState at 7. Mishtu Banerjee will be giving a talked entitled "Desperately Seeking Abstraction" "I built an SQL query generator (as part of a larger project) based on the underlying abstraction of representing data models as "networks". It's a nice illustration of abstracting a particular analysis pattern (in this case, we're abstracting the pattern of multi-table inner joins, which is one of the most common ad-hoc query types)" For more information see our website: http://www.vanpyz.org Mailing list: http://www.agmweb.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/list -- Andy McKay Enfold Systems, LLC http://www.enfoldsystems.com