Based on the replies here and discussing things with the steering council, we decided we should archive the list.
On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 2:57 AM Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal@egenix.com> wrote:
On 07.07.2023 12:11, Marc-Andre Lemburg wrote:
On 07.07.2023 01:44, Brett Cannon wrote:
I didn't set up the instance (it's hosted by Discourse for us for free), but Łukasz or Pablo might know. Else we can ask the infrastructure team at the PSF.
I reached out to Ee to see whether anything can be or is already done.
Ee confirmed that we have a daily Discourse database backup on PSF S3, so the concern is resolved.
On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 11:43 AM C.A.M. Gerlach <cam.gerlach@gerlach.cam> <cam.gerlach@gerlach.cam> wrote:
Good point. The PostgreSQL database that stores everything can be backed up, stored as a file anywhere and restored fairly easily: https://meta.discourse.org/t/122710 I'm only a mod (not an admin), so I don't know if we're actually doing it right now, but maybe Brett or one of the other admins does—might be a good idea to do regularly just in case.
Besides being restored to another Discourse instance (including self hosted), the db schema is documented as comments at the bottom of each file in the
app/modelsdirectory, e.g. for posts: https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/main/app/models/post.rb#L1257-L1... and thus one could browsed, query and extract, e.g. an archive of posts via a PostgreSQL client or a script, as well as in the official first-party maintained data explorer plugin that runs inside the instance: https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-data-explorer/32566Discourse also has an API: https://docs.discourse.org/ , and you can get the data on any page as JSON via adding
.jsonto the URL, https://discuss.python.org/t/27957.json, so the public data could also be scraped and archived that way by anyone interested if desired (just like the ML can).Does that help address your concern?
Thanks, CAM
*C.A.M. Gerlach*
On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 4:57 AM Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal@egenix.com> wrote:
The only concern I have with moving off of the MLs and to Discourse is archiving of messages.
With MLs, the archiving process is pretty straight forward and built into Mailman, but for Discourse this is less obvious.
Do we have a solution to archiving Discourse content in place which is under PSF control ? (AFAIK, we are using a hosted Discource installation)
Thanks.
FWIW, +1 to archiving to reduce duplication. If decided, I can help out making the appropriate devguide, PEP, etc. changes, as I've done for several previous transitions now.
Thanks, CAM
/C.A.M. Gerlach/
On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 2:15 PM Brett Cannon <brett@python.org <mailto:brett@python.org>> wrote:
The question has come up as to whether people still find this mailing list useful enough to keep around. Looking at the archive (https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/latest < https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/latest>),
On 04.07.2023 06:57, C.A.M. Gerlach wrote: this list seems to be used for two things:
1. Announcing new releases 2. Announcing new core developers In both cases the things are announced (at least) at discuss.python.org <http://discuss.python.org>, and so are not exclusive to this list. So, do people find this list useful enough to keep around, orshould
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