On 30.11.2013 01:14, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Nov 29, 2013, at 11:38 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
BTW: Rather than actually ban Anatoly from the various mailing lists, I think setting his moderation flag would be a better approach. He'd get a note that his emails are being held for moderation and the moderators could then screen the emails for possibly problems.
Remember that new python-dev members automatically get their moderation flag turned on. A moderator has to take an explicit action to unset a member's flag so that they can post to the list unhindered. By default, members with a set moderation flag have their postings held for approval.
A member's moderation flag can easily be turned back on if necessary, and the normal moderation procedure can be to accept, reject (with a message), discard (throw it away), or defer for later. Python mailing lists are governed by the Code of Conduct, so if a member is violating that code, it seems like a measured, reasonable response would be to re-moderate their postings until their conduct complies again.
I don't think a CoC will help in this case (I'm not even sure which CoC you are referring to :-)).
Anatoly is basically just being ignorant, not explicitly rude or offensive; or at least not to the level where any such code would trigger sanctions. Of course, ignorance makes people angry.
In my experience the best option is to fight ignorance with ignorance (if you are lucky enough to be able to use that option).
If a moderator rejects a message with say "Please rephrase in a more productive way." or "Your message is difficult to understand. Please send an updated version." this may result in an improvement without actually enforcing some kind of ban.
The question of course is: who gets to decide? So far, we've operated pretty well on rough consensus, and I think we could probably do the same here, with the python-dev moderators having ultimate say. Other communities have democratically elected councils with set terms, to which such decisions can be referred. Perhaps it's time for Python to have such a community council?
I'd wait with that until the ratio between subjects in need of intensive care and members needed for such a council reaches a value higher than 10 ;-)
This would likely mean more work for the moderators and thus we'd need more moderators. Should be a fixable, though.
python-dev has 2 owners and 5 moderators, with varying degrees of active participation. More help would surely be accepted.
Feel free to sign me up as moderator. More moderators means less work for everyone.
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