On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 at 15:07 R. David Murray email@example.com wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:31:44 +0000, Brett Cannon firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The discussion about the Code of Conduct has sputtered out, so I'm going
assume those who care to speak up have at this point. It seems to me that the general agreement is that putting python-dev and bugs.python.org
the CoC might not solve any real issues we currently have, but it won't hurt anything either (and both python-committers and python-ideas are already covered). And since the CoC might make some people feel more comfortable in participating, that means going ahead and flipping on the CoC where we reasonably can.
I guess I have one more thing to say.
Thinking about this, I realized that in fact this emphasis on the CoC is making me feel less like contributing. I doesn't feel like a large effect, but it is real[*]. Just thought you should know :)
I'm sorry if that's what this thread has caused for you, David, and it's obviously not what I'm after.
I guess I'm just worried about the health of this project. I'm doing what I can through the migration to GitHub to make it easier for others to get involved while making it easier for us to accept the work of others, but the maintenance and health of this team worries me. For instance, if you look at the developer's log you will notice we only gained 2 core devs for all of 2015 and the last one was August 2015: https://docs.python.org/devguide/developers.html. 2013 was the next slowest year with 4, but most years are much closer to 10 than 0. We also still have no female or minority members.
Now I'm not advocating for some quota for adding new members or that they have to meet some minority group status, but we should be aware of this and perhaps ask why this is. When I thought about this the other week after a cranky email to python-dev appeared I realized that the CoC isn't exactly advertised so that people know they shouldn't act mean here like they might in other corners of the internet where it's tolerated. I thought perhaps if we took this one time to make it officially in effect then it would remove at least one tiny barrier that might be holding up people from getting more involved. I certainly don't want any morality police, but I do want people to know that Python development is not one of the mean, cesspool corners of the internet either. And so I figured adding a link at the bottom of a couple of things would be a minor thing and a nice gesture to newcomers. I didn't mean for it to seem like a perpetual burden for anyone or a deterrent to contributing.
[*] I think it is a feeling of annoyance, like I'm being nagged for no good reason, inclining me to turn my attention away instead of joyfully engaging. Talking about how welcoming the Python community is, and how we can be more so, engenders joy. Talking about codes of conduct engenders annoyance. Regardless of the reality, it *feels* like the bureaucrats have moved in and are squashing the native aliveness of the community. _______________________________________________ python-committers mailing list email@example.com https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/