On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 01:58, Yury Selivanov <yselivanov.ml@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:29 PM Mariatta Wijaya <mariatta.wijaya@gmail.com> wrote: [..]
Please don't misunderstand my wanting to set up a deadlines and process as wanting to rush things.
Absolutely, I understand, I didn't want to imply that "[name] is rushing the process". Sorry if I sounded this way. I do have an impression, though, that a large population of core devs is OK with deadlines and the other sizable population doesn't understand why we need a strict schedule right now.
I think this is an important point. I'm also -1 on a strict timetable here - I agree with the points Marc-Andre and Nathaniel made, and I don't want to see us rushing into a decision.
It actually strikes me that the disparity here (with some people wanting to keep the process moving and get something sorted so we can get back to normal, and others wanting to let things take their time and not force a decision simply because "we need to decide") is an excellent test case for how we make decisions in the future. If we can't reach a mutually satisfactory agreement on how to move forward on this, I don't have high hopes for the possibility of our choice of governance model being acceptable to everyone.
I'm open to extend the dates, and even wait another year if we need to. Or do folks want to come up with a completely different process than what I've proposed?
In the end, I just want to know whether we will come to decision before 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, .. ?
At the moment, I'm not even sure I want to know that much. For now, what I want to know is how things are going to feel now that we don't have Guido acting as BDFL. That's going to take time to assess, but until we have done that, I don't see how we (as a community) can have any sort of good idea about what sort of governance works for us.
What I'd like to understand from the people advocating a fixed timetable and agreed dates, is what *actual* problem does fixing dates solve? Are bpo discussions being held up for lack of a BDFL? Are people not committing changes? Certainly we're not accepting PEPs at the moment, but it's not like PEPs work on a rapid timescale anyway - and if the problem is that without a BDFL, the discussions feel directionless, then that's a *specific* problem we can solve without needing to agree a governance model (it's the "guiding discussions" aspect of Guido's role, as opposed to the "BDFL" part).
Paul