On Nov 3, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Donald Stufft <donald@stufft.io> wrote:

On Nov 3, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Antoine Pitrou <antoine@python.org> wrote:

Le 03/11/2018 à 20:15, Donald Stufft a écrit :

I’m the other way. I basically don’t participate in python-dev or python-ideas anymore because of the issues mailing lists have.

Just a question: which tool do you use to participate in distutils-sig
discussions, then?

It’s the only mailing list (well besides this one, but this one only because it’s low traffic enough normally I didn’t filter it out into a folder to ignore) I still actively participate in. Even there I’ve been consciously pushing more of my own traffic to GitHub, or avoiding doing things that would require discussion on distutils-sig instead working on things that I could discuss entirely on GitHub.

My experience with the Governance discussion lead me to post https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/distutils-sig@python.org/message/VXXPZCVRLH27N46TR3P6IEOKIA47POCM/ last night, so I’m pulling myself generally out of distutils-sig as well.

Oh yea, and I forgot to mention that I’ve been trying to advocate for pulling the packaging tools out of the PEP process and into our own process, ideally based on GitHub or Discourse or anything with modern UI affordances. That’s not entirely due to the pain of mailing lists, but that’s part of it.