On 09.04.2022 02:13, Brett Cannon wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 5:03 AM Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal@egenix.com
> <mailto:mal@egenix.com>> wrote:
>
> On 06.04.2022 20:48, Brett Cannon wrote:
> > Last chance on whether my tier 3 proposal make sense! I will take
> silence as
> > acceptance and plan to convert any current tier 2 platform with a
> single core
> > dev to tier 3 and then ask the SC to approve/reject the list of
> platforms. I
> > will also update the PEP about expectations of when things must
> be considered
> > stable before b1, else a warning goes out that a platform risks
> being dropped in
> > the RC (regardless of tier).
> >
> > I will also be filling out the tiers to include the vendor, but I
> will be using
> > `unknown` instead of `*` since I haven't come across the latter
> online while I
> > come across the former regularly (e.g.
> > https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/rustc/platform-support.html).
>
> Could you please post the current proposal somewhere to read in
> one complete piece ? It's become hard to figure out what is on
> the table at the moment and the PR also doesn't appear to be
> up to date:
>
> https://github.com/python/peps/pull/2442/files
>
>
> The PR is now up-to-date! For ease of reference, here's the critical part:
Thanks, Brett.
> Support tiers
> =============
>
> Platform support is broken down into *tiers*. Each tier comes with
> different requirements which lead to different promises being made
> about support.
>
> To be promoted to a tier, steering council support is required and is
> expected to be driven by team consensus. Demotion to a lower tier
> occurs then the requirements of the current tier are no longer met for
> a platform for an extended period of time based on the judgment of
> the release manager or steering council. For platforms which no longer
> meet the requirements of any tier by b1 of a new feature release, an
> announcement will be made to warn the community of the pending removal
> of support for the platform (e.g. in the b1 announcement). If the
> platform is not brought into line for at least one of the tiers by the
> first release candidate, it will be listed as unsupported in this PEP.
>
> Tier 1
> ------
>
> - `CI failures
> <https://github.com/python/cpython/actions/workflows/build.yml?query=branch%3Amain+is%3Acompleted>`__
> block releases.
> - Changes which would break the ``main`` branch are not allowed to be
> merged;
> any breakage should be fixed or reverted immediately.
> - All core developers are responsible to keep ``main``, and thus these
> platforms, working.
> - Failures on these platforms **block a release**.
>
> ======================== =====
> Target Triple Notes
> ======================== =====
> i686-pc-windows-msvc
> x86_64-pc-windows-msvc
> x86_64-apple-darwin BSD libc, clang
> x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu glibc, gcc
> ======================== =====
>
>
> Tier 2
> ------
>
> - Must have a reliable buildbot.
> - At least **two** core developers are signed up to support the platform.
> - Changes which break any of these platforms are to be **fixed or
> reverted within 24 hours**.
> - Failures on these platforms **block a release**.
>
> =========================== ==========================
> ============================================== ========
> Target Triple Notes Buildbot
> Contacts
> =========================== ==========================
> ============================================== ========
> aarch64-apple-darwin clang
> https://buildbot.python.org/all/#/builders/725 Ned Deily, Ronald
> Oussoren, Dong-he Na
> aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu glibc, gcc
> https://buildbot.python.org/all/#/builders/125 Petr Viktorin, Victor Stinner
>
> glibc, clang
> https://buildbot.python.org/all/#/builders/234 Victor Stinner, Gregory
> P. Smith
> powerpcle-unknown-linux-gnu glibc, gcc
> https://buildbot.python.org/all/#/builders/90 Petr Viktorin, Victor Stinner
> x86_64-unknownlinux-gnu glibc, clang
> https://buildbot.python.org/all/#/builders/441 Victor Stinner, Gregory
> P. Smith
> =========================== ==========================
> ============================================== ========
>
>
> Tier 3
> ------
>
> - Must have a reliable buildbot.
> - At least **one** core developer is signed up to support the platform.
> - No response SLA to failures.
> - Failures on these platforms do **not** block a release.
>
> =========================== ==========================
> ============================================== ========
> Target Triple Notes Buildbot
> Contacts
> =========================== ==========================
> ============================================== ========
> aarch64-pc-windows-msvc https://buildbot.python.org/all/#/builders/729
> Steve Dower
> powerpcle-unknown-linux-gnu glibc, clang
> https://buildbot.python.org/all/#/builders/435 Victor Stinner
> x86_64-unknown-freebsd BSD libc, clang
> https://buildbot.python.org/all/#/builders/172 Victor Stinner
> =========================== ==========================
> ============================================== ========
>
>
> All other platforms
> -------------------
>
> Support for a platform may be partial within the code base, such as
> from active development around platform support or accidentally.
> Code changes to platforms not listed in the above tiers may rejected
Should read: "may be rejected"
Fixed!
> or removed from the code base without a deprecation process if they
> cause a maintenance burden or obstruct general improvements.
>
> Platforms not listed here may be supported by the wider Python
> community in some way. If your desired platform is not listed above,
> please perform a search online to see if someone is already providing
> support in some form.
+1 on this version.
Thanks for writing this up, Brett.
Welcome!
We didn't get to this PR in today's SC meeting, but I'm hoping to get SC sign-off next week.
-Brett
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