On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 12:06, Ćukasz Langa lukasz@langa.pl wrote:
On Sep 29, 2018, at 12:02, Paul Moore p.f.moore@gmail.com wrote:
Isn't that just a restart of the conversation that happened on this list not too long ago (prompted by a question from MAL, IIRC) but missing the context of that previous question, and with less participants (so far)?
Did you read it? I address this in the original post. I even link to the committers discussion.
The context is not missed but different.
I thought I did, but I've reached a point where I'm struggling to follow the various threads and posts. At the moment, I've burned out on trying to cope with both email (for all my non python-committers emails) and Discourse, so I'm struggling to follow discussions. I'll probably stop following python-contributors for the rest of the day, and hope I can catch up on what I missed tomorrow.
I consider that a negative indication of the usability of Discourse for me, but I'm willing to mark it down as "early days" for now.
Apologies for misreading the mail in that thread.
For the record, and adding it here because I'm done with Discourse for the day, I consider myself a core Python developer, and I am proud to do so - I enjoy being able to say that. I'm *not* particularly active in terms of commits - there are a number of reasons for that (other commitments, struggling to keep up with the details of the CPython workflow, ...) but it's a reality. However, I *do* contribute a lot to discussions, as I always have, and I feel a great responsibility to do that "as a core developer" and always try to ensure that my posts in that context are for the benefit of the language. I would fight to retain my right to call myself a "core Python developer", with the same implications as anyone else (I do *not* want to call myself "Emeritus" or "Inactive" or any of the other terms previously mentioned for "not contributing much these days").
I would feel very disappointed and rejected if it became the case because I didn't commit actual code, and I don't attend conferences/sprints, that my views were ignored or under-represented. I'm concerned already that it's becoming harder and harder to be heard in the core dev community. I'd really like it if experiments like Discord made it *easier* for people to be heard and represented - but I fear that they won't, and the voices of people with real life commitments that make working with forum software harder will be lost (and not having a good way for people to communicate "I can't effectively communicate via this new mechanism" is a particularly pernicious way of losing people's input).
I'll catch up with discussions again in a day or two. For now, I need to go and read my emails :-) (Yeah, that's a joke - I really need to go and hang out with my family).
Paul