On 25.03.2019 23:58, Steve Dower wrote:
On 25Mar2019 1503, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On 25.03.2019 16:20, Steve Dower wrote:
To be clear, my pushback (on Discourse, since I can only send email from an actual laptop these days but can participate over there from my phone) has been against vague nominations, not the individuals themselves.
I'm *very* concerned about the perception of commit rights being "awarded" rather than being a added responsibility specific to CPython.
I'm not sure where you got that perception from. The two candidates both want to actively contribute to Python.
It's possible that the nominations did not emphasize this enough, but that's an issue with the nomination text, not with the person being nominated.
That's literally what I said.
Great, so we're on the same page.
Yet, the public perception of the discussion is that the persons are not qualified enough and that's definitely not going to have a productive effect on getting more people helping.
I don't know where you got *this* from. I haven't seen any criticism of the candidates themselves - just questions that ought to have been answered very easily in the nomination (and were answered almost immediately upon request).
I'm reading both this list and discourse (in mailing list mode). Perhaps those comments were mostly on the ML.
Isn't this what's been happening? It certainly has been on Discourse.
Not really. I'm not talking about some moderator having to step in to take action. I'm talking about the nominators actively supporting the discussion by fixing mistakes in the nomination, proxying and adding more information (since the candidates cannot speak for themselves) and helping to clarify misconceptions.
Um, that's exactly what happened? I don't understand why you're saying it didn't (unless someone's edited the history over there between me reading it and you reading it).
The post for Stéphane on discourse still reads the same as the original posting on discourse and this ML. The last edit was on March 22.
Asking people who have voted -1 or +1 to publicly tell the world why they did so is not helpful in this respect, since it just creates bias. What people, who are unsure how to vote, really need, is more information, not bias.
This is illogical. Knowing how and why certain people voted is useful information when you know that person (and it's also why we generally use options like -1, -0, +0, +1, and sometimes +/-100 ;) ). Without this added information, the *only* thing we have is bias, and I don't think we have a big enough group to average out individual bias in such important decisions as this.
I guess we have a different understanding of bias, then :-)
I prefer to base my votes and opinions on available information much more than other people's votes and opinions. Using their votes to cover up for lack of information does not make me feel comfortable, so I try to get more information or abstain.
In the current case, I do know both candidates well enough to give them my vote.
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