On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 02:37, Victor Stinner firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
According to the PEP 8001: "The vote will happen in a 2-week-long window from November 16 2018 to November 30 (Anywhere-on-Earth)." It's now in less than two weeks.
I see that the PEP 8001 is still being updated (voting method). Should we still expect new changes before the vote starts? Can we set a deadline, like November 15 (Anywhere-on-Earth)?
Nathaniel Smith and Donald Stuff have a draft PEP 8016 which is still at the "ideas" stage: https://discuss.python.org/t/working-discussion-for-pep-8016-the-boringest-p...
What is the deadline to submit new governance PEP and to update governance PEPs? November 15 (Anywhere-on-Earth)?
Following on from this, where and when is the discussion on PEPs happening? I guess maybe discord, but I haven't seen much (I only "pop in" occasionally and skim for new threads). Specifically, I'm looking for threads that *compare* proposals - and all I'm seeing is threads on individual proposals, ironing out details and technicalities - which is important, sure, but not relevant to me in terms of knowing how proposals compare, and what "public opinion" is favouring.
The reason I'm interested in public discussions is that I don't have a particularly strong opinion on the governance model we choose per se, so I'm mostly happy to abstain on a "I trust the rest of the core devs to come up with a sensible decision" basis. **However**, in order to validate that trust, a key part for me is following the discussions, and getting a sense of the overall views of the group. But in this (particularly crucial) instance, I have utterly no sense of what proposals are the front runners, which are considered to have open questions, etc. Up until now, I'd taken that to be because the proposals weren't final, and discussions hadn't really started. But now that the vote is getting close, I'm getting more and more concerned - with no sense of the possible direction of the vote, how can I trust that the decision will be one I can be comfortable with - and how do I influence the direction except by participating in the discussions I've been unable to locate?
Currently, I feel like my only option is to abstain and hope - I don't have the time (or knowledge) to review, understand and assess the proposals well enough to make an informed vote, but I have no way of assessing the "expert opinions" of those who do, to allow me to make a broad judgement. Frankly, I feel pretty disenfranchised by the process at the moment.