On Thu, 19 Jul 2018 at 11:04 Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org> wrote:
On Jul 19, 2018, at 08:41, Brett Cannon <brett@python.org> wrote:
> Then we would have to solve our governance problem sooner rather than later. But i don't think every Python release has to make a huge splash.

The other option of course is to push the release date of Python 3.8 back to accommodate the new governance structure.

> On Jul 18, 2018, at 19:23, Tim Peters <tim.peters@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unsure!  Governance is needed to resolve conflict.  When there's broad agreement, "leaders" aren't really needed.  For example, there's been a bit of talk on python-ideas about adding a new `intmath` module capturing some frequently reinvented functions for which decent implementations are known but non-obvious (e.g., for generating the primes).  Nobody could sanely fight to death against something like that.  Even whining about it would appear petty ;-)

I don’t necessarily include new modules, other stdlib changes, build or performance improvements, and other such “normal development” work (i.e. bug fixing) to be affected by a language moratorium.  PEP 572-level decisions would very definitely fall under that rubric.

We have plenty of experts still in place that can make more minor decisions.  In fact, perhaps we should largely operate as if our BDFL were just on a long vacation and not pronouncing on PEPs.  That’s never frozen Python development before, and shouldn’t now.

If PEP 572 were the only new syntax for 3.8, then so be it.

That last time we had a language moratorium we allowed new stdlib modules (https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3003/).