On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Michael Foord michael@voidspace.org.ukwrote:

Hello Python Committers,

As usual we will hold a Python Language Summit before the PyCon US conference.

The language summit will be in the conference hotel, to discuss the ongoing development of the Python language. It will be held on the *Wednesday* before the conference (Wednesday 7th March), a change from previous years.

The language summit is an invite only event. All Python core developers, plus selected others, are invited. If you would like to attend, for all or part of the day, please respond off list to me so I can keep a track of numbers.

If you have topics you would like to see on the agenda please also let me know.

I'll send more details on the event, times and the location within the venue, nearer the date.

All the best,

Michael Foord

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Hey Michael,

I'd love to attend.

Alex

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On 6 Feb 2012, at 21:55, Brett Cannon wrote:

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 08:04, Michael Foord michael@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Hello Python Committers,

As usual we will hold a Python Language Summit before the PyCon US conference.

The language summit will be in the conference hotel, to discuss the ongoing development of the Python language. It will be held on the *Wednesday* before the conference (Wednesday 7th March), a change from previous years.

The language summit is an invite only event. All Python core developers, plus selected others, are invited. If you would like to attend, for all or part of the day, please respond off list to me so I can keep a track of numbers.

If you have topics you would like to see on the agenda please also let me know.

With the importlib bootstrap work close to being done (just minor compatibility issues at this point), it probably wouldn't hurt to discuss what exactly needs to be done to allow the merging of the code to happen (if any).

Added. We have a healthier looking list of topics to discuss now.

Which namespace PEP (382 or 402, if either) is to be accepted for 3.3. Barry Warsaw

How can the PSF help alternate implementations. Steve Holden

Experimental packages in the standard library.

Splitting out standard library into a separate repo. Barry Warsaw

Proposed changes to the release cycle (and LTS releases).

What we can do to get speed.python.org going. And all of this plays into what the other VMs need from CPython for Python 3 support to be easier. Brett Cannon

What can be done in Python 3 to make web development easier.

virtualenv-like functionality in Python. Vinay Sajip and Carl Meyer

importlib bootstrap -- Brett

All the best,

Michael Foord

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May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Michael Foord michael@voidspace.org.uk wrote:

On 6 Feb 2012, at 21:55, Brett Cannon wrote:

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On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 08:04, Michael Foord michael@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Hello Python Committers,

As usual we will hold a Python Language Summit before the PyCon US conference.

The language summit will be in the conference hotel, to discuss the ongoing development of the Python language. It will be held on the  *Wednesday* before the conference (Wednesday 7th March), a change from previous years.

The language summit is an invite only event. All Python core developers, plus selected others, are invited. If you would like to attend, for all or part of the day, please respond off list to me so I can keep a track of numbers.

If you have topics you would like to see on the agenda please also let me know.

With the importlib bootstrap work close to being done (just minor compatibility issues at this point), it probably wouldn't hurt to discuss what exactly needs to be done to allow the merging of the code to happen (if any).

Added. We have a healthier looking list of topics to discuss now.

Which namespace PEP (382 or 402, if either) is to be accepted for 3.3. Barry Warsaw

How can the PSF help alternate implementations. Steve Holden

Experimental packages in the standard library.

Splitting out standard library into a separate repo. Barry Warsaw

Proposed changes to the release cycle (and LTS releases).

What we can do to get speed.python.org going. And all of this plays into what the other VMs need from CPython for Python 3 support to be easier. Brett Cannon

What can be done in Python 3 to make web development easier.

virtualenv-like functionality in Python. Vinay Sajip and Carl Meyer

importlib bootstrap -- Brett

Could we collect links to some background reading (whether they be mailing list threads, blog posts, + posts, etc) on each of the topics (wiki page?) and send that out several days before the meeting so that more of us can be up to speed beforehand?

For example I'm not up on the current issues impacting web development under Python 3 and I doubt I'm the only one (or if I am, yay me!).

-gps

On Tue, 2012-01-10 at 13:04 +0000, Michael Foord wrote:

Hello Python Committers,

As usual we will hold a Python Language Summit before the PyCon US conference. [...] If you have topics you would like to see on the agenda please also let me know.

I sincerely hope that we'll have secured the various python runtimes against hash collision denial-of-service attacks by the time of the language summit, but if not, we probably ought to talk about the issue then.

Thanks Dave

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 17:07, Antoine Pitrou solipsis@pitrou.net wrote:

Le lundi 06 février 2012 à 16:55 -0500, Brett Cannon a écrit :

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With the importlib bootstrap work close to being done (just minor compatibility issues at this point), it probably wouldn't hurt to discuss what exactly needs to be done to allow the merging of the code to happen (if any).

Many of us won't be able to go to the Summit, so I'd certainly prefer if it were discussed through regular communication media. importlib will have a critical impact and the maintenance burden will fall on all of us.

I'm happy to start the discussion now on this list but keep the item on the agenda to discuss any lingering details in person. I'll start a separate email on this.

On 07/02/2012 16:09, Brett Cannon wrote:

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 17:07, Antoine Pitrou mailto:solipsis@pitrou.net> wrote:

Le lundi 06 février 2012 à 16:55 -0500, Brett Cannon a écrit :
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>
> With the importlib bootstrap work close to being done (just minor
> compatibility issues at this point), it probably wouldn't hurt to
> discuss what exactly needs to be done to allow the merging of
the code
> to happen (if any).

Many of us won't be able to go to the Summit, so I'd certainly
prefer if
it were discussed through regular communication media.  importlib will
have a critical impact and the maintenance burden will fall on all of
us.

I'm happy to start the discussion now on this list but keep the item on the agenda to discuss any lingering details in person. I'll start a separate email on this.

I certainly don't think the language summit should be the *only* place we discuss this, but then neither do I think we *shouldn't* discuss it at the language summit. So yes. :-)

Michael

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