I would like to propose Roger Serwy be given commit privileges to work on IDLE. Roger has demonstrated long-term interest in IDLE and has been contributing to IDLE in a number of ways for years. He has submitted many patches for IDLE to the tracker since at least April 2008. He has developed a number of IDLE extensions (http://idlex.sourceforge.net), some of which he has proposed for inclusion in the standard library. He is also active in triaging and commenting on the bug tracker and has had developer privileges on the tracker for the past 12 months. He has also already signed the contributor agreement and I know he has been interested in becoming a core developer for IDLE. I've informally discussed this with a few other core developers here at PyCon and I think there is general agreement that having Roger be able to contribute more directly to IDLE would be a really good thing. I would certainly be willing to help mentor him as necessary.
-- Ned Deily, nad@acm.org
+1, he is pretty active. I've committed many his patches.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Ned Deily nad@acm.org wrote:
I would like to propose Roger Serwy be given commit privileges to work on IDLE. Roger has demonstrated long-term interest in IDLE and has been contributing to IDLE in a number of ways for years. He has submitted many patches for IDLE to the tracker since at least April 2008. He has developed a number of IDLE extensions (http://idlex.sourceforge.net), some of which he has proposed for inclusion in the standard library. He is also active in triaging and commenting on the bug tracker and has had developer privileges on the tracker for the past 12 months. He has also already signed the contributor agreement and I know he has been interested in becoming a core developer for IDLE. I've informally discussed this with a few other core developers here at PyCon and I think there is general agreement that having Roger be able to contribute more directly to IDLE would be a really good thing. I would certainly be willing to help mentor him as necessary.
-- Ned Deily, nad@acm.org
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On 3/19/2013 3:17 PM, Ned Deily wrote:
I would like to propose Roger Serwy be given commit privileges to work on IDLE. Roger has demonstrated long-term interest in IDLE and has been contributing to IDLE in a number of ways for years. He has submitted many patches for IDLE to the tracker since at least April 2008. He has developed a number of IDLE extensions (http://idlex.sourceforge.net), some of which he has proposed for inclusion in the standard library. He is also active in triaging and commenting on the bug tracker and has had developer privileges on the tracker for the past 12 months. He has also already signed the contributor agreement and I know he has been interested in becoming a core developer for IDLE. I've informally discussed this with a few other core developers here at PyCon and I think there is general agreement that having Roger be able to contribute more directly to IDLE would be a really good thing. I would certainly be willing to help mentor him as necessary.
I have been intending to propose the same thing for the same reasons, (which you wrote up better than I would have -- thanks) but have been waiting for the resolution of http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-0434/ clarifying what rule he and I and anyone else can use for deciding what branches an IDLE change can be applied to.
Terry
It's maybe not the right place to discuss that, but why is IDLE part of the Python stdlib? Can't we maintain IDLE outside Python? I guess that maintaining it outside the stdlib would allow to develop it faster and be able to upgrade it for old (unmaintained) Python versions.
Packaging Python with IDLE is stil a good idea, especially on Windows where there is no good text editor by default.
Victor
2013/3/19 Ned Deily nad@acm.org:
I would like to propose Roger Serwy be given commit privileges to work on IDLE. Roger has demonstrated long-term interest in IDLE and has been contributing to IDLE in a number of ways for years. He has submitted many patches for IDLE to the tracker since at least April 2008. He has developed a number of IDLE extensions (http://idlex.sourceforge.net), some of which he has proposed for inclusion in the standard library. He is also active in triaging and commenting on the bug tracker and has had developer privileges on the tracker for the past 12 months. He has also already signed the contributor agreement and I know he has been interested in becoming a core developer for IDLE. I've informally discussed this with a few other core developers here at PyCon and I think there is general agreement that having Roger be able to contribute more directly to IDLE would be a really good thing. I would certainly be willing to help mentor him as necessary.
-- Ned Deily, nad@acm.org
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stinner@gmail.comwrote:
It's maybe not the right place to discuss that, but why is IDLE part of the Python stdlib? Can't we maintain IDLE outside Python? I guess that maintaining it outside the stdlib would allow to develop it faster and be able to upgrade it for old (unmaintained) Python versions.
Strongly +1 here. I'd extend it to the whole tkinter and derivatives, but IDLE itself is a worthier goal. In my view, it's been mainly "kept alive" for the past many years and is a much inferior IDE to others, and not a very good editor.
FWIW, I heard some mentions how this is important for education. It's just one data point, but perhaps worth mentioning - I met a teacher during PyCon and specifically asked him if he used IDLE, and he said that no, IDLE isn't really good enough an editor and he asked his students to use Sublime text.
Eli
In article CAF-Rda9-9Vf4QiATJOHc8wo_aQNG++2QmnDKJ3Ucv2o4pTM-xw@mail.gmail.com, Eli Bendersky eliben@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stinner@gmail.comwrote:
It's maybe not the right place to discuss that, but why is IDLE part of the Python stdlib? Can't we maintain IDLE outside Python? I guess that maintaining it outside the stdlib would allow to develop it faster and be able to upgrade it for old (unmaintained) Python versions. Strongly +1 here. I'd extend it to the whole tkinter and derivatives, but IDLE itself is a worthier goal. In my view, it's been mainly "kept alive" for the past many years and is a much inferior IDE to others, and not a very good editor.
Please, this is definitely not the right place to discuss the issue of IDLE in the stdlib. It has been discussed repeatedly and the conclusion is always that it is an important part of the batteries-included experience. More importantly, PEP 434, is out for review concerning IDLE maintenance and features, is currently out for review. That would be a much more appropriate place to bring up any concerns. (I will be forwarding my comments to the PEP soon, BTW.)
-- Ned Deily, nad@acm.org
2013/3/20 Ned Deily nad@acm.org:
Please, this is definitely not the right place to discuss the issue of IDLE in the stdlib. It has been discussed repeatedly and the conclusion is always that it is an important part of the batteries-included experience.
I don't propose to remove IDLE from the stdlib, just move the code to another repository to allow to maintain it more easily. And then re-add IDLE to the stdlib at each Python release.
We might also release IDLE more frequently using an external repository.
More importantly, PEP 434, is out for review concerning IDLE maintenance and features, is currently out for review. That would be a much more appropriate place to bring up any concerns. (I will be forwarding my comments to the PEP soon, BTW.)
Oh sorry, I missed this PEP. I will read it.
Victor
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ned Deily nad@acm.org wrote:
In article CAF-Rda9-9Vf4QiATJOHc8wo_aQNG++2QmnDKJ3Ucv2o4pTM-xw@mail.gmail.com, Eli Bendersky eliben@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stinner@gmail.comwrote:
It's maybe not the right place to discuss that, but why is IDLE part of the Python stdlib? Can't we maintain IDLE outside Python? I guess that maintaining it outside the stdlib would allow to develop it faster and be able to upgrade it for old (unmaintained) Python versions. Strongly +1 here. I'd extend it to the whole tkinter and derivatives, but IDLE itself is a worthier goal. In my view, it's been mainly "kept alive" for the past many years and is a much inferior IDE to others, and not a very good editor.
Please, this is definitely not the right place to discuss the issue of IDLE in the stdlib. It has been discussed repeatedly and the conclusion is always that it is an important part of the batteries-included experience. More importantly, PEP 434, is out for review concerning IDLE maintenance and features, is currently out for review. That would be a much more appropriate place to bring up any concerns. (I will be forwarding my comments to the PEP soon, BTW.)
Sorry for mixing it up - I did not intend to hijack the discussion. While I'm not familiar with Roger's work ISTM there were enough +1 to put a stamp on it.
Eli
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Ned Deily nad@acm.org wrote:
I would like to propose Roger Serwy be given commit privileges to work on IDLE. Roger has demonstrated long-term interest in IDLE and has been contributing to IDLE in a number of ways for years. He has submitted many patches for IDLE to the tracker since at least April 2008. He has developed a number of IDLE extensions (http://idlex.sourceforge.net), some of which he has proposed for inclusion in the standard library. He is also active in triaging and commenting on the bug tracker and has had developer privileges on the tracker for the past 12 months. He has also already signed the contributor agreement and I know he has been interested in becoming a core developer for IDLE. I've informally discussed this with a few other core developers here at PyCon and I think there is general agreement that having Roger be able to contribute more directly to IDLE would be a really good thing. I would certainly be willing to help mentor him as necessary.
+lots, let's make it happen.
Cheers, Nick.
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-- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia
+1
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013, at 03:17 PM, Ned Deily wrote:
I would like to propose Roger Serwy be given commit privileges to work on IDLE. Roger has demonstrated long-term interest in IDLE and has been contributing to IDLE in a number of ways for years. He has submitted many patches for IDLE to the tracker since at least April 2008. He has developed a number of IDLE extensions (http://idlex.sourceforge.net), some of which he has proposed for inclusion in the standard library. He is also active in triaging and commenting on the bug tracker and has had developer privileges on the tracker for the past 12 months. He has also already signed the contributor agreement and I know he has been interested in becoming a core developer for IDLE. I've informally discussed this with a few other core developers here at PyCon and I think there is general agreement that having Roger be able to contribute more directly to IDLE would be a really good thing. I would certainly be willing to help mentor him as necessary.
-- Ned Deily, nad@acm.org
python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
In article CADiSq7fG9LCfiCR1sv7u1HkhVbcD=WEASgwaWt5XMSeLLkmrug@mail.gmail.com, Nick Coghlan ncoghlan@gmail.com wrote:
+lots, let's make it happen.
Thanks everyone for your positive feedback. Roger has indicated he's still interested. I've pointed him at the developer's guide section for new committers, in particular, sending ssh keys and signing up for this list, and I've suggested he introduce himself here.
-- Ned Deily, nad@acm.org
On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Ned Deily nad@acm.org wrote:
I would like to propose Roger Serwy be given commit privileges to work on IDLE.
+1 Roger would do a great job.
Raymond
Cool! Thank you, Ned, for picking up the subject.
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Ned Deily nad@acm.org wrote:
In article CADiSq7fG9LCfiCR1sv7u1HkhVbcD=WEASgwaWt5XMSeLLkmrug@mail.gmail.com, Nick Coghlan ncoghlan@gmail.com wrote:
+lots, let's make it happen.
Thanks everyone for your positive feedback. Roger has indicated he's still interested. I've pointed him at the developer's guide section for new committers, in particular, sending ssh keys and signing up for this list, and I've suggested he introduce himself here.
-- Ned Deily, nad@acm.org
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On 3/20/2013 11:26 PM, Ned Deily wrote:
In article CADiSq7fG9LCfiCR1sv7u1HkhVbcD=WEASgwaWt5XMSeLLkmrug@mail.gmail.com, Nick Coghlan ncoghlan@gmail.com wrote:
+lots, let's make it happen.
Thanks everyone for your positive feedback. Roger has indicated he's still interested. I've pointed him at the developer's guide section for new committers, in particular, sending ssh keys and signing up for this list, and I've suggested he introduce himself here.
I've approved him for python-committers.
-- Eric.
Hi Everyone,
My name is Roger Serwy and I would like to introduce myself. I am a graduate student at the University of Illinois in electrical and computer engineering. Python has been a primary language for my research in signal processing and the auditory system. I use IdleX almost daily for prototyping algorithms and data analysis.
I do look forward to working with you to to improve IDLE.
Thank you, Roger
Welcome!
-eric On Mar 21, 2013 9:39 PM, "serwy" roger.serwy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Everyone,
My name is Roger Serwy and I would like to introduce myself. I am a graduate student at the University of Illinois in electrical and computer engineering. Python has been a primary language for my research in signal processing and the auditory system. I use IdleX almost daily for prototyping algorithms and data analysis.
I do look forward to working with you to to improve IDLE.
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM, serwy roger.serwy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Everyone,
My name is Roger Serwy and I would like to introduce myself. I am a graduate student at the University of Illinois in electrical and computer engineering. Python has been a primary language for my research in signal processing and the auditory system. I use IdleX almost daily for prototyping algorithms and data analysis.
I do look forward to working with you to to improve IDLE.
Welcome, Roger. I'm sure you were already referred to the developer's guide. If you run into any problems or have questions, don't hesitate to ask on this list.
Eli
Welcome, Roger! And thanks for volunteering to share some more of your, um, idle time to help the Python community.
--Ned
-- Ned Deily nad@acm.org -- []
Welcome Roger!
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Ned Deily nad@acm.org wrote:
Welcome, Roger! And thanks for volunteering to share some more of your, um, idle time to help the Python community.
--Ned
-- Ned Deily nad@acm.org -- []
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Terry Reedy -
Victor Stinner