Ohh, good. So our Python organization is one chasing for worldwide human rights? Then I’d better first ask what’s next? Are you going to shed more democratic light to Chinese?

I don't mean Guido's intention is wrong. I am very thankful for it but it's not in the right place. And in my experience, I don't think it'll finally shut down at a human right issue. At 2019-04-07 20:41:55, "Berker Peksağ" berker.peksag@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 3:19 PM Xiang Zhang angwerzx@126.com wrote:

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https://discuss.python.org/t/can-we-do-something-for-996-programmers-in-chin...

Hi Xiang,

Perhaps I'm missing some context here, but Guido's first post in the thread you've linked isn't about politics (nor a discussion about comparing ideologies of different governments) It's about basic human rights.

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On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 6:19 PM Antoine Pitrou antoine@python.org wrote:

Perhaps some Chinese people have reasons to be afraid when they see those good-willed initiatives done in the name of basic human rights.

I'm very familiar with the "they keep talking about democracy and human rights so let's stick to our government and its policies" mindset (they start to teach you this in elementary school in my home country) and I think it only helps politicians to use people's 'support' to oppress them even more.

Saying this isn't about politics is a bit fooling oneself IMHO. Working conditions are a political question, and a political choice. It has been since the XIXth century at least. Contemporary western societies have quite a bit to improve in that regard, especially as they seem to adopt more and more anti-worker policies... (and, no, it's not the "populist right". Look at all mainstream governments since the 1980s, left or right, and the kind of structural shifts in economic balance they have favoured.)

I think that depends on what do you understand from the term 'politics'. I said it's not about politics, because when people discuss things with their political hat on, they tend to distort facts and defend policies that are against them. IMO, every individual would want to work in better conditions regardless of their opinions on politics (freedom of speech, cheap education, and better health care can be added to that list) Of course, as you pointed out, it doesn't mean they will always make their political choices based on these thoughts :)

--Berker