Hello all,
The Python language summit at PyCon 2012 will soon be upon us.
I have one volunteer to act as a scribe for the event and write up notes afterwards. It would be best to have at least one more person taking notes and able to write them up, as one person won't get all of the discussion of interest.
Do we have anyone willing to setup "video streaming", similar to what will be done for the PSF meeting? If anyone is willing to take this on, Marc-Andre should be able to help with the technical details.
We're not usually short of topics to discuss, but the only specific idea for the summit agenda I have so far is "namespace packages". We have two competing PEPs for Python 3.3, so it makes a good topic for discussion.
Experimental packages are another potential topic. We have some candidates for packages that some would like to see in the standard library, but marked in the documentation as experimental and with reduced guarantees on API stability.
Another topic worthy of discussion is the proposed changes to the release cycle, if no decision has been made by the summit.
If you have any other topics you think would be good to discuss please let me know.
All the best,
Michael Foord
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On Jan 30, 2012, at 04:32 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
If you have any other topics you think would be good to discuss please let me know.
I'm really looking forward to the summit this year, thanks for all the great work in putting it together.
Another topic (possibly) is the splitting of the stdlib from the core interpreter repo. We have more experience now with Mercurial to know whether this is feasible, and hopefully we'll have enough representation from the other implementations to know whether it would still be useful.
Cheers, -Barry
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:37, Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org> wrote:
On Jan 30, 2012, at 04:32 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
If you have any other topics you think would be good to discuss please let me know.
I'm really looking forward to the summit this year, thanks for all the great work in putting it together.
Another topic (possibly) is the splitting of the stdlib from the core interpreter repo. We have more experience now with Mercurial to know whether this is feasible, and hopefully we'll have enough representation from the other implementations to know whether it would still be useful.
Since I have not heard anything about a VM summit (although I'm sure it would be easy to have a spontaneous one on Thursday), we might want to discuss how we want to get the benchmarks inline for Python 3 and then what we can do to get speed.python.org going. And all of this plays into what the other VMs need from CPython for Python 3 support to be easier.
On 30/01/2012 16:59, Brett Cannon wrote:
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:37, Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org <mailto:barry@python.org>> wrote:
On Jan 30, 2012, at 04:32 PM, Michael Foord wrote: >If you have any other topics you think would be good to discuss please let me >know. I'm really looking forward to the summit this year, thanks for all the great work in putting it together. Another topic (possibly) is the splitting of the stdlib from the core interpreter repo. We have more experience now with Mercurial to know whether this is feasible, and hopefully we'll have enough representation from the other implementations to know whether it would still be useful.Since I have not heard anything about a VM summit (although I'm sure it would be easy to have a spontaneous one on Thursday), we might want to discuss how we want to get the benchmarks inline for Python 3 and then what we can do to get speed.python.org <http://speed.python.org> going. And all of this plays into what the other VMs need from CPython for Python 3 support to be easier.
Instead of a VM summit this year we are having a web development summit on the Thursday before the conference, organised by Chris McDonough. An informal vm summit would be fine if you can get people together.
I've added your and Barry's suggestions to the agenda for the language summit, plus one from Steve Holden on what (more) the PSF can do for alternative implementations.
All the best,
Michael Foord
-- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
On 30/01/2012 16:59, Brett Cannon wrote:
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:37, Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org <mailto:barry@python.org>> wrote:
On Jan 30, 2012, at 04:32 PM, Michael Foord wrote: >If you have any other topics you think would be good to discuss please let me >know. I'm really looking forward to the summit this year, thanks for all the great work in putting it together. Another topic (possibly) is the splitting of the stdlib from the core interpreter repo. We have more experience now with Mercurial to know whether this is feasible, and hopefully we'll have enough representation from the other implementations to know whether it would still be useful.Since I have not heard anything about a VM summit (although I'm sure it would be easy to have a spontaneous one on Thursday), we might want to discuss how we want to get the benchmarks inline for Python 3 and then what we can do to get speed.python.org <http://speed.python.org> going. And all of this plays into what the other VMs need from CPython for Python 3 support to be easier.
I'd also be interested in what concrete things can be done in Python 3 to make web development easier. Unfortunately it would better if that discussion happened *after* the web-development summit, but if we have the right people at the language summit it may still be fruitful.
All the best,
Michael
-- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
On Jan 30, 2012, at 07:17 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
I'd also be interested in what concrete things can be done in Python 3 to make web development easier. Unfortunately it would better if that discussion happened *after* the web-development summit, but if we have the right people at the language summit it may still be fruitful.
Note that there is going to be a Python 3 panel at the web development summit. I'm moderating it, but talk to Chris for details.
I wish we could do more at Pycon to promote Python 3.
-Barry
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 13:28, Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org> wrote:
On Jan 30, 2012, at 07:17 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
I'd also be interested in what concrete things can be done in Python 3 to make web development easier. Unfortunately it would better if that discussion happened *after* the web-development summit, but if we have the right people at the language summit it may still be fruitful.
Note that there is going to be a Python 3 panel at the web development summit. I'm moderating it, but talk to Chris for details.
I wish we could do more at Pycon to promote Python 3.
Unfortunately we didn't get many proposals for 3.x talks this year. Myself and Senthil will be talking about it from a standard CPython view (mine is on Windows stuff, his is on general stdlib improvements), and there's a CherryPy 2/3 talk, but I believe that's about it.
~3/95 kind of sucks.
On Jan 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
Unfortunately we didn't get many proposals for 3.x talks this year.
It may not be as bad as you think.
My talk for EuroPython last year ("Python's Other Collection Types and Algorithms") used Python 3.2 for all of the examples, but nothing in the abstract mentioned that the talk would be 3.x and not 2.x.
Part of my plan was to get people used to seeing Python 3.x as being common-place.
I'm plan to submit talk about concurrent.futures for this year, and I'll again have all of the examples for 3.2, even though a 2.x backport exists.
Andrew
dalke@dalkescientific.com
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:37 AM, Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org> wrote:
Another topic (possibly) is the splitting of the stdlib from the core interpreter repo. We have more experience now with Mercurial to know whether this is feasible, and hopefully we'll have enough representation from the other implementations to know whether it would still be useful.
I won't be there either, but my two cents on this particular topic is that I'd be *really* keen to see two active development branches in the CPython repo post-3.3 release: "stdlib" and "default"
It would mean that, for the life of 3.3, we'll always have the option of cutting a new release that *only* updates the standard library, without touching the interpreter core.
Cheers, Nick.
-- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia
Hi Michael,
I won't be at PyCon US, so can't attend.
I've added a page on the streaming details to the PSF wiki in case someone wants to give that a try. AFAIK, there was no interest from other developers in joining in via that channel when we ran the streaming of the summit at EuroPython, so it may not be worth the trouble.
http://wiki.python.org/psf/Streaming%20PSF%20Members%20meetings
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Michael Foord wrote:
Hello all,
The Python language summit at PyCon 2012 will soon be upon us.
I have one volunteer to act as a scribe for the event and write up notes afterwards. It would be best to have at least one more person taking notes and able to write them up, as one person won't get all of the discussion of interest.
Do we have anyone willing to setup "video streaming", similar to what will be done for the PSF meeting? If anyone is willing to take this on, Marc-Andre should be able to help with the technical details.
We're not usually short of topics to discuss, but the only specific idea for the summit agenda I have so far is "namespace packages". We have two competing PEPs for Python 3.3, so it makes a good topic for discussion.
Experimental packages are another potential topic. We have some candidates for packages that some would like to see in the standard library, but marked in the documentation as experimental and with reduced guarantees on API stability.
Another topic worthy of discussion is the proposed changes to the release cycle, if no decision has been made by the summit.
If you have any other topics you think would be good to discuss please let me know.
All the best,
Michael Foord
-- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
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Michael Foord <michael <at> voidspace.org.uk> writes:
If you have any other topics you think would be good to discuss please let me know.
I unfortunately won't be attending, but one topic I wish I could be there to discuss is the provision of virtualenv-like functionality in Python (pythonv branch, which tracks default pretty closely and generally passes all tests when I do a periodic merge).
PEP 405 refers, and there are some open issues in there which it would surely be good to get some pointers on.
Regards,
Vinay Sajip
On 30/01/2012 20:13, Vinay Sajip wrote:
Michael Foord<michael<at> voidspace.org.uk> writes:
If you have any other topics you think would be good to discuss please let me know. I unfortunately won't be attending, but one topic I wish I could be there to discuss is the provision of virtualenv-like functionality in Python (pythonv branch, which tracks default pretty closely and generally passes all tests when I do a periodic merge).
PEP 405 refers, and there are some open issues in there which it would surely be good to get some pointers on.
Added to the agenda. Carl Meyer will be attending, so he can perhaps speak on the topic.
Michael
Regards,
Vinay Sajip
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