On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 09:23 Antoine Pitrou antoine@python.org wrote:

Regardless of whether that behaviour should be tolerated or not, there should be a procedure for this and not a single person banning other people at will, especially if it follows their own involvement on the topic at hand.

There should be, but there currently isn't one and with no governance model we unfortunately won't have one for at least a little while. I'm hoping that getting clarification on this sort of thing will happen under whatever governance model we end up choosing.

The last time we tried to establish a procedure I remember the one thing we could agree on was that this list be made aware of any actions taken, hence my email. If people disagree with the ban or want to time-box it then that discussion can happen.

I will also mention that I asked other core developers here at the dev sprints to make sure this action was not being too reactionary due to how I was involved and the consensus was to proceed with the ban and the email as planned (there was only some disagreement on for how long and they said they would follow up here). I will also say that other core devs actually wanted a ban to start based on the GitHub comment left and I argued the person deserved a chance based on how heated the topic involved has become.

-Brett

Regards

Antoine.

Le 13/09/2018 à 18:19, Mariatta Wijaya a écrit :

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Thanks for handling it, Brett.

That kind of behavior is not something we need to allow or tolerate in this community. I'm fine with banning.

Mariatta

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On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:18 AM Brett Cannon mailto:brett@python.org> wrote:

Someone left
https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/9195#issuecomment-420646466
which was clearly written to upset Victor and insult him. I warned
the person that such behaviour is not okay and future insults would
have  ramifications (I was actually asked to ban this person to
begin with but I gave them the benefit of the doubt considering how
heated the topic involved has become). They then decided to seek me
out on Twitter berate me there for my warning:
https://twitter.com/dolkensp/status/1039949212832722944 . For that I
have followed through with my warning and banned them from the org.
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They are not active in our community, although I don't know if we want to start treating people different simply because they are in our community (treating them differently because we know something is out of character is different).

Because I'm in no position mentally to keep an eye on this (I'm rather shaken by the fact someone decided to track me down on Twitter to go after me, but I'm trying to keep context of the actual severity of it), I have switched it to an automated 30 day ban (the maximum available for a time-restricted ban). If people feel that's the wrong decision and it should switch to year-long or permanent then we can discuss that.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 09:38 Antoine Pitrou antoine@python.org wrote:

Thanks for clarifying. I agree we should probably time-box the banning (by how long isn't very important, and would depend whether they are otherwise an active contributor or not).

Regards

Antoine.

Le 13/09/2018 à 18:35, Brett Cannon a écrit :

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 09:23 Antoine Pitrou mailto:antoine@python.org> wrote:

Regardless of whether that behaviour should be tolerated or not,

there

...

should be a procedure for this and not a single person banning other
people at will, especially if it follows their own involvement on the
topic at hand.

There should be, but there currently isn't one and with no governance model we unfortunately won't have one for at least a little while. I'm hoping that getting clarification on this sort of thing will happen under whatever governance model we end up choosing.

The last time we tried to establish a procedure I remember the one thing we could agree on was that this list be made aware of any actions taken, hence my email. If people disagree with the ban or want to time-box it then that discussion can happen.

I will also mention that I asked other core developers here at the dev sprints to make sure this action was not being too reactionary due to how I was involved and the consensus was to proceed with the ban and the email as planned (there was only some disagreement on for how long and they said they would follow up here). I will also say that other core devs actually wanted a ban to start based on the GitHub comment left and I argued the person deserved a chance based on how heated the topic involved has become.

-Brett

Regards

Antoine.


Le 13/09/2018 à 18:19, Mariatta Wijaya a écrit :
> Thanks for handling it, Brett.
>
> That kind of behavior is not something we need to allow or

tolerate in

...

> this community.
> I'm fine with banning.
>
> Mariatta
>
> ᐧ
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:18 AM Brett Cannon <brett@python.org
<mailto:brett@python.org>
> <mailto:brett@python.org <mailto:brett@python.org>>> wrote:
>
>     Someone left
>

https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/9195#issuecomment-420646466

...

>     which was clearly written to upset Victor and insult him. I

warned

...

>     the person that such behaviour is not okay and future insults
would
>     have  ramifications (I was actually asked to ban this person to
>     begin with but I gave them the benefit of the doubt
considering how
>     heated the topic involved has become). They then decided to
seek me
>     out on Twitter berate me there for my warning:
>     https://twitter.com/dolkensp/status/1039949212832722944 . For
that I
>     have followed through with my warning and banned them from the
org.
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