Is anyone else frustrated by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton's rants in python-dev? It seems he is living on another planet to me. Or am I seeing it all wrong?
-- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
Guido van Rossum wrote:
Is anyone else frustrated by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton's rants in python-dev? It seems he is living on another planet to me. Or am I seeing it all wrong?
He seems rather misguided, and is being treated with great tolerance. I believe many of his posts also appear on comp.lang.python (where they appear to be mostly ignored).
He's aiming at a worthy goal, but appears to be climbing up the learning curve rather tediously.
regards Steve
Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/
Steve Holden wrote:
Guido van Rossum wrote:
Is anyone else frustrated by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton's rants in python-dev? It seems he is living on another planet to me. Or am I seeing it all wrong?
He seems rather misguided, and is being treated with great tolerance.
And naturally as soon as I said this I saw that Matthieu Brucher had bitten his head off on the list.
Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Steve Holden <steve@holdenweb.com> wrote:
Guido van Rossum wrote:
Is anyone else frustrated by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton's rants in python-dev? It seems he is living on another planet to me. Or am I seeing it all wrong?
He seems rather misguided, and is being treated with great tolerance. I believe many of his posts also appear on comp.lang.python (where they appear to be mostly ignored).
He's aiming at a worthy goal, but appears to be climbing up the learning curve rather tediously.
He's been on the learning curve forever. I don't think he's actually making progress.
Anyone who feels like biting his head off, go for it.
-- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 2:18 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <martin@v.loewis.de> wrote:
Anyone who feels like biting his head off, go for it.
I think as a starting point, I'll revoke his access to the tracker (although I guess he'll create a new account in response).
Well. Maybe, it would be better to first explain him that he disturbs the project and to ask him nicely to stop. If that fails, then go ahead with the less friendly approach.
-- Alexandre
Alexandre Vassalotti wrote:
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 2:18 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <martin@v.loewis.de> wrote:
Anyone who feels like biting his head off, go for it. I think as a starting point, I'll revoke his access to the tracker (although I guess he'll create a new account in response).
Well. Maybe, it would be better to first explain him that he disturbs the project and to ask him nicely to stop. If that fails, then go ahead with the less friendly approach.
I've done that (in private mail). We'll see how it works out.
Regards, Martin
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido@python.org> wrote:
Is anyone else frustrated by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton's rants in python-dev? It seems he is living on another planet to me. Or am I seeing it all wrong?
He also has annoying habit of "reopening" issues by duplicating another one when he disagrees with original's closure.
-- Regards, Benjamin
Guido van Rossum schrieb:
Is anyone else frustrated by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton's rants in python-dev? It seems he is living on another planet to me. Or am I seeing it all wrong?
You are seeing it perfectly right. I'm astonished that nobody has reacted and kicked him from the list so far. I like to establish a police that comparing something to the Nazi regime has the same effect as using the word Jehova. Who likes to throw the first stone? :)
Christian
Christian Heimes schrieb:
Guido van Rossum schrieb:
Is anyone else frustrated by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton's rants in python-dev? It seems he is living on another planet to me. Or am I seeing it all wrong?
You are seeing it perfectly right. I'm astonished that nobody has reacted and kicked him from the list so far. I like to establish a police that comparing something to the Nazi regime has the same effect as using the word Jehova. Who likes to throw the first stone? :)
I'd never have expected the necessity of implementing Godwin's law on python-dev...
:-)
Georg
-- Thus spake the Lord: Thou shalt indent with four spaces. No more, no less. Four shall be the number of spaces thou shalt indent, and the number of thy indenting shall be four. Eight shalt thou not indent, nor either indent thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to four. Tabs are right out.
Luke's tracker access has now been revoked, and he's been told multiple times by different people both publicly and privately that he's not welcome. I've warned him that if he keeps going on we'll have to invoke the Nazis.
I certainly don't expect that he'll stop right away, but the best response in this case is none. Let's just delete his mail and eventually he'll go away. It'll be difficult -- he's already trying to make us feel guilty for not supporting free software enough. Arguing with him is like getting involved with quicksand, so let's just all ignore him, and it will tide over.
-- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
Guido> It'll be difficult -- he's already trying to make us feel guilty
Guido> for not supporting free software enough. Arguing with him is like
Guido> getting involved with quicksand, so let's just all ignore him,
Guido> and it will tide over.It's open source. If he's so all-fired determined the current developers are doing everything wrong he's obviously welcome to fork the project. LPython anyone? <wink>
Skip
Guido van Rossum wrote:
Arguing with him is like getting involved with quicksand, so let's just all ignore him, and it will tide over.
While that's no doubt very good advice, I still couldn't resist commenting on the (to me) bizarre notion that supporting a non-free platform with free tools is somehow inherently better than using the native non-free tools appropriate to the platform...
Cheers, Nick.
-- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia
Nick Coghlan wrote:
Guido van Rossum wrote:
Arguing with him is like getting involved with quicksand, so let's just all ignore him, and it will tide over.
While that's no doubt very good advice, I still couldn't resist commenting on the (to me) bizarre notion that supporting a non-free platform with free tools is somehow inherently better than using the native non-free tools appropriate to the platform...
At least it won't make you go blind ...
Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/
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Guido van Rossum wrote:
I certainly don't expect that he'll stop right away, but the best response in this case is none. Let's just delete his mail and eventually he'll go away.
In fact, I had to review my old email to check who was that "Luke Kenneth" :-).
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