On 27.02.19 22:11, Brett Cannon wrote:

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 3:40 PM Victor Stinner <vstinner@redhat.com> wrote:

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Hi,

Follow-up of the previous "Can we choose between mailing list and discuss.python.org?" thread.

Python isn't the first project who "experimented" Discourse to replace mailing lists. It seems like Fedora and OpenMandriva are coming back to mailing lists, at least for "development discussions":

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedorapr...

It sounds like their overall team is much larger than ours based on the tone of that email (is that true?). We have also talked about having both Discourse and python-committers for announcements which would partially alleviate some of their concerns.

I also think it's telling that their decision to do this was done on IRC which is not a primary communication platform for all of us and suggests that it's possible the desires/needs/expectations of those participating are different.

well, #python-dev is another topic. It now gets spammed by many bots, and human chats are lost in the noise. That used to be better.

Matthias

One thing to keep in mind which is not a vote for/against mailing lists or Discourse is that older projects, like Linux, have historically communicated extensively with textual information. As JavaScript and other third party projects, which rely more heavily on visualizations and UI, have grown, there is a now a greater need to be able to communicate visual information.

While these Linux distros may have gone back to email, it would be interesting to dig deeper into why and whether visual communication is important in these projects. My instinct is that Python will likely use more than one type of communication medium once the communication PEP(s) are written. Please keep passing along the interesting data points too. Thanks. On Feb 28 2019, at 7:29 am, Victor Stinner <vstinner@redhat.com> wrote:

Maybe we need a new #python-dev-notif (or even #python-dev-bots?) channel for automated notifications and bots, and keep #python-dev for humans?

Victor Le mer. 27 févr. 2019 à 22:21, Matthias Klose <doko@ubuntu.com> a écrit :

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On 27.02.19 22:11, Brett Cannon wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 3:40 PM Victor Stinner <vstinner@redhat.com> wrote:

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Hi, Follow-up of the previous "Can we choose between mailing list and discuss.python.org?" thread.

Python isn't the first project who "experimented" Discourse to replace mailing lists. It seems like Fedora and OpenMandriva are coming back to mailing lists, at least for "development discussions":

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedorapr... It sounds like their overall team is much larger than ours based on the tone of that email (is that true?). We have also talked about having both Discourse and python-committers for announcements which would partially alleviate some of their concerns.

I also think it's telling that their decision to do this was done on IRC which is not a primary communication platform for all of us and suggests that it's possible the desires/needs/expectations of those participating are different.

well, #python-dev is another topic. It now gets spammed by many bots, and human chats are lost in the noise. That used to be better.

Matthias

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