Mentoring Office Hours - the idea, and a question
Hey all,
At the Language Summit last week, after Mariatta's talk we had a conversation around diversity and how to grow our contributor base, which led to someone (Steve Dower?) suggesting we post a sort of "Office Hours" list. This would be a list of current core developers who are interested in being available at set time(s) for helping mentor newer contributors in our community through our process and, if they're interested, mentoring them through the process of becoming core developers themselves.
This "Office Hours" concept is a type of thing that has worked well elsewhere, including around the software world, and we have some people interested in offering said mentorship, so I would like to move on to getting this list up somewhere so we can start doing it.
With that said, before I go make a PR to the devguide to start iterating on the implementation, an important question:
As this is both an event similar to an in-person meetup and an event meant to be a safe space for those getting started, it will explicitly mention the code of conduct. As such, it needs a person/persons/list to contact should something arise in this context that needs to be handled. What/who should that be? though I can't tell who's on there.
- Suggestion 1: use the already in-place core-mentorship-owner@python.org,
- Suggestion 2: Create some new list with a few key people on it.
- Suggestion 3: List some direct names. Who?
As for implementation, there are some tools out there we could possibly use, but in the interests of getting something out there I'm just going to make a table and fill in some common information, starting with my own. Calendar apps and other integrations can come as we figure them out.
Brian
Hi,
I'm usually available between 10:00 and 16:00 in the French timezone (currently, it's CEST = UTC+2).
A few months ago, I wrote a tutorial and a list of available core developers... currently it's just me :-D
http://cpython-core-tutorial.readthedocs.io/en/latest/getting_help.html
Maybe this list should be moved in the developer guide?
https://devguide.python.org/help/
I chose to put it in my tutorial, since it's less official, and I was not sure if I should put myself in the official guide ;-)
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I also heard the idea of pair-programming using a chat, a video conference, or something else.
For example, when you work on a bug, do it with a contributor to show how you work. I never did that before, but I may try ;-)
Victor
2018-05-16 9:52 GMT-04:00 Brian Curtin <brian@python.org>:
Hey all,
At the Language Summit last week, after Mariatta's talk we had a conversation around diversity and how to grow our contributor base, which led to someone (Steve Dower?) suggesting we post a sort of "Office Hours" list. This would be a list of current core developers who are interested in being available at set time(s) for helping mentor newer contributors in our community through our process and, if they're interested, mentoring them through the process of becoming core developers themselves.
This "Office Hours" concept is a type of thing that has worked well elsewhere, including around the software world, and we have some people interested in offering said mentorship, so I would like to move on to getting this list up somewhere so we can start doing it.
With that said, before I go make a PR to the devguide to start iterating on the implementation, an important question:
As this is both an event similar to an in-person meetup and an event meant to be a safe space for those getting started, it will explicitly mention the code of conduct. As such, it needs a person/persons/list to contact should something arise in this context that needs to be handled. What/who should that be? though I can't tell who's on there.
- Suggestion 1: use the already in-place core-mentorship-owner@python.org,
- Suggestion 2: Create some new list with a few key people on it.
- Suggestion 3: List some direct names. Who?
As for implementation, there are some tools out there we could possibly use, but in the interests of getting something out there I'm just going to make a table and fill in some common information, starting with my own. Calendar apps and other integrations can come as we figure them out.
Brian
python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Yep, this is something I'm adding directly in the devguide so it's right where new contributors are already going to be looking for help and information.
As for how those mentors and mentees actually do the work, to start with I think it's something that each person should just do what they're comfortable with and have access to, and then once we have some data to work off of, maybe then we prescribe some specific ways of doing it. I'm ok to do video things, but some might not be, so in getting this started I wanted to just begin with names, days, times, and contact information on an official website. If someone wants mentorship and they're available when I'm available, they reach out to me and we find a way to talk.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:31 AM Victor Stinner <vstinner@redhat.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm usually available between 10:00 and 16:00 in the French timezone (currently, it's CEST = UTC+2).
A few months ago, I wrote a tutorial and a list of available core developers... currently it's just me :-D
http://cpython-core-tutorial.readthedocs.io/en/latest/getting_help.html
Maybe this list should be moved in the developer guide?
https://devguide.python.org/help/
I chose to put it in my tutorial, since it's less official, and I was not sure if I should put myself in the official guide ;-)
--
I also heard the idea of pair-programming using a chat, a video conference, or something else.
For example, when you work on a bug, do it with a contributor to show how you work. I never did that before, but I may try ;-)
Victor
Hey all,
At the Language Summit last week, after Mariatta's talk we had a conversation around diversity and how to grow our contributor base, which led to someone (Steve Dower?) suggesting we post a sort of "Office Hours" list. This would be a list of current core developers who are interested in being available at set time(s) for helping mentor newer contributors in our community through our process and, if they're interested, mentoring them through the process of becoming core developers themselves.
This "Office Hours" concept is a type of thing that has worked well elsewhere, including around the software world, and we have some people interested in offering said mentorship, so I would like to move on to getting this list up somewhere so we can start doing it.
With that said, before I go make a PR to the devguide to start iterating on the implementation, an important question:
As this is both an event similar to an in-person meetup and an event meant to be a safe space for those getting started, it will explicitly mention
2018-05-16 9:52 GMT-04:00 Brian Curtin <brian@python.org>: the
code of conduct. As such, it needs a person/persons/list to contact should something arise in this context that needs to be handled. What/who should that be? though I can't tell who's on there.
- Suggestion 1: use the already in-place core-mentorship-owner@python.org,
- Suggestion 2: Create some new list with a few key people on it.
- Suggestion 3: List some direct names. Who?
As for implementation, there are some tools out there we could possibly use, but in the interests of getting something out there I'm just going to make a table and fill in some common information, starting with my own. Calendar apps and other integrations can come as we figure them out.
Brian
python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
2018-05-16 11:31 GMT-04:00 Victor Stinner <vstinner@redhat.com>:
I'm usually available between 10:00 and 16:00 in the French timezone (currently, it's CEST = UTC+2).
Oh, let me be more specific:
10:00-12:00 and 14:00-16:00, Monday to Friday
Yeah, in France we take our time to eat ;-)
Victor
Thanks for starting this, Brian.
As such, it needs a person/persons/list to contact should something arise
in this context that needs to be handled. What/who should that be?
- Suggestion 2: Create some new list with a few key people on it.
- Suggestion 3: List some direct names. Who?
I personally prefer knowing names. If it will be a mailing list, I'd like to know who are in the mailing list.
Related, I believe there is a new Code of Conduct working group within the PSF, but I don't know what is the scope of that working group. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/psf-community/2018-April/000488.html
Perhaps to start it could just be some of us who wants to volunteer and do it?
I can set aside 1 hr each week Thursday as my office hours, between 7 PM - 8 PM Pacific.
Mariatta
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Victor Stinner <vstinner@redhat.com> wrote:
2018-05-16 11:31 GMT-04:00 Victor Stinner <vstinner@redhat.com>:
I'm usually available between 10:00 and 16:00 in the French timezone (currently, it's CEST = UTC+2).
Oh, let me be more specific:
10:00-12:00 and 14:00-16:00, Monday to Friday
Yeah, in France we take our time to eat ;-)
Victor
python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
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I've started a PR in the devguide adding the office hours of core devs that I know of. https://github.com/python/devguide/pull/402
Please add your own office hours in there, or create new PRs.
I think we can leave it to each core devs of how they want to do their office hour. For myself, a fixed weekly schedule works for me, but others might have more flexible schedule.
Mariatta
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 4:58 PM Mariatta Wijaya <mariatta.wijaya@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for starting this, Brian.
As such, it needs a person/persons/list to contact should something arise
in this context that needs to be handled. What/who should that be?
- Suggestion 2: Create some new list with a few key people on it.
- Suggestion 3: List some direct names. Who?
I personally prefer knowing names. If it will be a mailing list, I'd like to know who are in the mailing list.
Related, I believe there is a new Code of Conduct working group within the PSF, but I don't know what is the scope of that working group. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/psf-community/2018-April/000488.html
Perhaps to start it could just be some of us who wants to volunteer and do it?
I can set aside 1 hr each week Thursday as my office hours, between 7 PM - 8 PM Pacific.
Mariatta
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Victor Stinner <vstinner@redhat.com> wrote:
2018-05-16 11:31 GMT-04:00 Victor Stinner <vstinner@redhat.com>:
I'm usually available between 10:00 and 16:00 in the French timezone (currently, it's CEST = UTC+2).
Oh, let me be more specific:
10:00-12:00 and 14:00-16:00, Monday to Friday
Yeah, in France we take our time to eat ;-)
Victor
python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
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