Resignation from Stefan Krah
Hello,
Apparently, Stefan Krah (core developer and author of the C _decimal module) was silently banned or moderated from posting to python.org mailing-lists. He asked me to forward the following message:
================================================================================== Hello,
Today I have left the Python organization. It wasn't an easy decision, after all there are so many amazing people here.
My vision of how development should be handled differs from many people who are currently active. Other projects are more aligned with my preferences, so I prefer to focus my energies elsewhere.
Having a shared understanding of what constitutes politeness is important and eliminates all sources of friction that sometimes result in losing one's patience.
All the best,
Stefan Krah
Best regards
Antoine.
On 08.10.2020 00:26, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 10/7/20 2:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Apparently, Stefan Krah (core developer and author of the C _decimal module) was silently banned or moderated from posting to python.org mailing-lists.
This seems odd -- does the Steering Council care to comment?
Is it possible that the Mailman 3 or some mail server spam protection setup has caused this ? In that case, it's better to ask the postmasters.
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I am sad about this turn of the event too, and I hope we as Python developers try to avoid this in future.
The only think Stefan mentions directly in the forwarded email is,
Having a shared understanding of what constitutes politeness is important and eliminates all sources of friction that sometimes result in losing one's patience.
We could only make guesses on what might have happened. But if there is a list-administrator or a group who knows what might have happened, it will be better to hear from them.
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 1:19 AM M.-A. Lemburg mal@egenix.com wrote:
On 08.10.2020 00:26, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 10/7/20 2:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Apparently, Stefan Krah (core developer and author of the C _decimal module) was silently banned or moderated from posting to python.org mailing-lists.
This seems odd -- does the Steering Council care to comment?
Is it possible that the Mailman 3 or some mail server spam protection setup has caused this ? In that case, it's better to ask the postmasters.
-- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com
Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Oct 08 2020)
Python Projects, Coaching and Support ... https://www.egenix.com/ Python Product Development ... https://consulting.egenix.com/
::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs :::
eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 https://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ https://www.malemburg.com/
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On 10/8/20 1:19 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
On 08.10.2020 00:26, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 10/7/20 2:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Apparently, Stefan Krah (core developer and author of the C _decimal module) was silently banned or moderated from posting to python.org mailing-lists.
This seems odd -- does the Steering Council care to comment?
Is it possible that the Mailman 3 or some mail server spam protection setup has caused this ? In that case, it's better to ask the postmasters.
Sure, but I don't know who they are. Besides, if the SC did not do the banning/moderating then they should find out what happened.
If the SC did do the banning/moderating then I'd really like to know why, both so that I can make sure and not do that thing myself, and so that I can caution others who are straying down that path. That's handy information to have, especially when you're a mailing list moderator.
-- ~Ethan~
On Oct 8, 2020, at 14:34, Ethan Furman ethan@stoneleaf.us wrote:
Sure, but I don't know who they are. Besides, if the SC did not do the banning/moderating then they should find out what happened.
If the SC did do the banning/moderating then I'd really like to know why, both so that I can make sure and not do that thing myself, and so that I can caution others who are straying down that path. That's handy information to have, especially when you're a mailing list moderator.
Thank you, Ethan.
The Steering Council did indeed ban Stefan, as Thomas’ followup email just now sent elaborates on. This was the first time that the SC has had to take such actions, and we neglected to notify the mailing list owners of the affected lists. We apologize for that. We all hope that we never have to do this again, but we will be sure to keep list owners in the loop should it ever be necessary in the future.
Cheers, -Barry, on behalf of the Python Steering Council
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 5:21 PM Barry Warsaw barry@python.org wrote:
On Oct 8, 2020, at 14:34, Ethan Furman ethan@stoneleaf.us wrote:
Sure, but I don't know who they are. Besides, if the SC did not do the
banning/moderating then they should find out what happened.
If the SC did do the banning/moderating then I'd really like to know
why, both so that I can make sure and not do that thing myself, and so that I can caution others who are straying down that path. That's handy information to have, especially when you're a mailing list moderator.
Thank you, Ethan.
The Steering Council did indeed ban Stefan, as Thomas’ followup email just now sent elaborates on. This was the first time that the SC has had to take such actions, and we neglected to notify the mailing list owners of the affected lists.
To be absolutely clear, I am an admin for -committers and -ideas, Barry is for -dev. So an admin on all affected lists was aware of what was going on, just not all of them for privacy reasons while we attempted to work things out.
-Brett
We apologize for that. We all hope that we never have to do this again, but we will be sure to keep list owners in the loop should it ever be necessary in the future.
Cheers, -Barry, on behalf of the Python Steering Council
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This is true, but I think in the hopefully nonexistent future we should notify -owners on all affected mailing lists.
Cheers, -Barry
On Oct 9, 2020, at 11:49, Brett Cannon brett@python.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 5:21 PM Barry Warsaw barry@python.org wrote: On Oct 8, 2020, at 14:34, Ethan Furman ethan@stoneleaf.us wrote:
Sure, but I don't know who they are. Besides, if the SC did not do the banning/moderating then they should find out what happened.
If the SC did do the banning/moderating then I'd really like to know why, both so that I can make sure and not do that thing myself, and so that I can caution others who are straying down that path. That's handy information to have, especially when you're a mailing list moderator.
Thank you, Ethan.
The Steering Council did indeed ban Stefan, as Thomas’ followup email just now sent elaborates on. This was the first time that the SC has had to take such actions, and we neglected to notify the mailing list owners of the affected lists.
To be absolutely clear, I am an admin for -committers and -ideas, Barry is for -dev. So an admin on all affected lists was aware of what was going on, just not all of them for privacy reasons while we attempted to work things out.
-Brett
We apologize for that. We all hope that we never have to do this again, but we will be sure to keep list owners in the loop should it ever be necessary in the future.
Cheers, -Barry, on behalf of the Python Steering Council
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Stefan did indeed receive, and was notified of, a 1-year ban from core development. This action was based on advice from the Conduct WG and our own deliberations. We wanted to have a discussion with him before we made this public. The SC sent him an email with details (quoted below), three weeks ago, CC'ing the Conduct WG. We had a brief back-and-forth last week. Unfortunately (and without telling us), Stefan apparently declined to address the matter in the way we asked.
For the record, the Steering Council followed the PEP 13 procedure for ejecting a core developer ( https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0013/#ejecting-core-team-members) and voted unanimously to eject Stefan, as we told Stefan we would do if he chose not to address the concerns we outlined below.
Our original message to Stefan: """ Dear Stefan,
The Python Steering Council and the PSF Conduct Working Group have received reports of your ongoing behavior in the Python core developer community. The Steering Council agrees with the Conduct Working Group’s findings that this behavior is unacceptable. While we appreciate your valuable technical contributions to CPython, that does not exempt you from the expected standards of behavior and the Code of Conduct.
Specifically, your behavior has displayed:
- Disrespectful, hostile, and unwelcoming communication in tone and content
- Harassment by needlessly adding people to issues
- A disregard of the directions and authority of the release manager
Some examples of the problematic behavior include:
- https://bugs.python.org/issue36839#msg344544
- https://bugs.python.org/issue40874#msg372616
- https://bugs.python.org/issue40874#msg372917
- https://bugs.python.org/issue40874#msg372922
- https://bugs.python.org/issue39542#msg372983
We are also aware that this is not new behavior. We know the PSF Conduct WG warned you on April 23, 2020 about your previous violations of the Code of Conduct.
As such, we are taking the action of suspending your participation in Python's development for 12 months starting today. You will lose access to:
- Python-committers
- Python-dev
- Python-ideas
- Core-mentorship
- bugs.python.org
- discuss.python.org
- The Python organization on GitHub
Along with the 12-month suspension, you will need to meet additional conditions in good faith:
- Please acknowledge that you have read and understand the Code of Conduct and promise to abide by it going forward
- You write an apology to your fellow core developers for your actions which we will publish on your behalf when announcing your suspension
- Acknowledge that future reinstatement will include a zero-tolerance conduct policy in regards to your future behavior
We offer you 14 days from today to meet these conditions and submit them to the Steering Council via email.
If you choose not to satisfy these conditions, the 12-month suspension will become a permanent ejection from the Python core developer community as per the procedures outlined in PEP 13. You are then free to go through the Python core developer election process also as outlined in PEP 13, however the Steering Council will not consider approving any positive outcome of that vote until the 12-month suspension has elapsed.
- The Python Steering Council """
On behalf of the Steering Council, Thomas.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:48 PM Antoine Pitrou antoine@python.org wrote:
Hello,
Apparently, Stefan Krah (core developer and author of the C _decimal module) was silently banned or moderated from posting to python.org mailing-lists. He asked me to forward the following message:
================================================================================== Hello,
Today I have left the Python organization. It wasn't an easy decision, after all there are so many amazing people here.
My vision of how development should be handled differs from many people who are currently active. Other projects are more aligned with my preferences, so I prefer to focus my energies elsewhere.
Having a shared understanding of what constitutes politeness is important and eliminates all sources of friction that sometimes result in losing one's patience.
All the best,
Stefan Krah
====================================================================================
Best regards
Antoine.
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Antoine Pitrou -
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Brett Cannon -
Ethan Furman -
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Senthil Kumaran -
Thomas Wouters