Mailman 3 December 2000 - Python-Dev

Pragmas and warnings
by Paul Prescod Dec. 18, 2000

Dec. 18, 2000

A couple of other threads started me to thinking that there are a couple of things missing from our warnings framework. Many languages have pragmas that allow you turn warnings on and off in code. For instance, I should be able to put a pragma at the top of a module that uses string functions to say: "I know that this module doesn't adhere to the latest Python conventions. Please don't warn me about it." I should also be able to put a declaration that says: "I'm really paranoid about … [View More]

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Did something change in Makefile.in or Modules/Makefile.pre.in?
by Skip Montanaro Dec. 18, 2000

Dec. 18, 2000

I executed cvs update today (removing the sourceforge machines from .ssh/known_hosts worked fine for me, btw) followed by a configure and a make clean. The last step failed with this output: ... make[1]: Entering directory `/home/beluga/skip/src/python/dist/src/Modules' Makefile.pre.in:20: *** missing separator. Stop. make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/beluga/skip/src/python/dist/src/Modules' make: [clean] Error 2 (ignored) I found the following at line 20 of Modules/… [View More]

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Use of %c and Py_UNICODE
by A.M. Kuchling Dec. 18, 2000

Dec. 18, 2000

unicodeobject.c contains this code: PyErr_Format(PyExc_ValueError, "unsupported format character '%c' (0x%x) " "at index %i", c, c, fmt -1 - PyUnicode_AS_UNICODE(uformat)); c is a Py_UNICODE; applying C's %c to it only takes the lowest 8 bits, so '%\u3000' % 1 results in an error message containing "'\000' (0x3000)". Is this worth fixing? I'd say no, since the hex value is more useful for … [View More]

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What to do about PEP 229?
by A.M. Kuchling Dec. 18, 2000

Dec. 18, 2000

I began writing the fabled fancy setup script described in PEP 229, and then realized there was duplication going on here. The code in setup.py would need to know what libraries, #defines, &c., are needed by each module in order to check if they're needed and set them. But if Modules/Setup can be used to override setup.py's behaviour, then much of this information would need to be in that file, too; the details of compiling a module are in two places. Possibilities: 1) Setup contains … [View More]

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Re: [Python-Dev] new draft of PEP 227
by Moshe Zadka Dec. 17, 2000

Dec. 17, 2000

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:16:37 -0800, Paul Prescod <paulp(a)ActiveState.com> wrote: > Python is the only one I know of that implicitly shadows without > requiring some form of declaration. Perl and Scheme permit implicit shadowing too. -- Moshe Zadka <sig(a)zadka.site.co.il> This is a signature anti-virus. Please stop the spread of signature viruses!

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Re: (offtopic) RE: [Python-Dev] Python 2.0 license and GPL
by Michael Hudson Dec. 17, 2000

Dec. 17, 2000

Thomas Wouters <thomas(a)xs4all.net> writes: > On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 04:03:04AM -0800, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 11:17:08AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > > I'm not sure I agree with that view either, but mostly because there > > > is a non-GPL replacement for parts of the readline API: > > > > > > http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/downloads/editline.html > > > > It doesn't work with the current … [View More]

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PEP 226
by Martin v. Loewis Dec. 17, 2000

Dec. 17, 2000

I remember earlier discussion on the Python 2.1 release schedule, and never managed to comment on those. I believe that Python contributors and maintainers did an enourmous job in releasing Python 2, which took quite some time from everybody's life. I think it is unrealistic to expect the same amount of commitment for the next release, especially if that release appears just a few months after the previous release (that is, one month from now). So I'd like to ask the release manager to take … [View More]

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Re: [Python-Dev] Splitting up _cursesmodule
by Thomas Gellekum Dec. 15, 2000

Dec. 15, 2000

Andrew Kuchling <akuchlin(a)mems-exchange.org> writes: > [CC'ing Thomas Gellekum <tg(a)melaten.rwth-aachen.de>] > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 01:24:01AM -0500, Fred L. Drake, Jr. wrote: > > Would it be reasonable to add panel support as a second extension > >module? Is there really a need for them to be in the same module, > >since the panel library is a separate library? > > Quite possibly, though the patch isn't structured that way. The panel &… [View More]

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Warning Framework (PEP 230)
by Guido van Rossum Dec. 15, 2000

Dec. 15, 2000

I'm maybe about three quarters on the way with writing PEP 230 -- far enough along to be asking for comments. Get it from CVS or go to: http://python.sourceforge.net/peps/pep-0230.html A prototype implementation in Python is included in the PEP; I think this shows that the implementation is not too complex (Paul Prescod's fear about my proposal). This is pretty close to what I proposed earlier (Nov 5), except that I have added warning category classes (inspired by Paul's proposal). This … [View More]

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PEP 207 -- Rich Comparisons
by Guido van Rossum Dec. 15, 2000

Dec. 15, 2000

After perusing David Ascher's proposal, several versions of his patches, and hundreds of email exchanged on this subject (almost all of this dated April or May of 1998), I've produced a reasonably semblance of PEP 207. Get it from CVS or here on the web: http://python.sourceforge.net/peps/pep-0207.html I'd like to hear your comments, praise, and criticisms! The PEP still needs work; in particular, the minority point of view back then (that comparisons should return only Boolean results) … [View More]

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