Mailman 3 May 2010 - Python-Dev

what ports are needed for a buildbot?
by Bill Janssen May 16, 2010

May 16, 2010

I'm running my buildbots in a captive firewalled subnet, and I have to enumerate all the ports that the buildbot is allowed to open to the outside world. Right now, I'm getting this error: ERROR: test_connect (test.test_smtpnet.SmtpSSLTest) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/buildbot/buildarea/3.x.parc-leopard-1/build/Lib/test/test_smtpnet.py", line 15, in test_connect server = smtplib.SMTP_SSL(self.testServer, self.remotePort) File "/Users/buildbot/buildarea/3.x.parc-leopard-1/build/Lib/smtplib.py", line 757, in __init__ SMTP.__init__(self, host, port, local_hostname, timeout) File "/Users/buildbot/buildarea/3.x.parc-leopard-1/build/Lib/smtplib.py", line 239, in __init__ (code, msg) = self.connect(host, port) File "/Users/buildbot/buildarea/3.x.parc-leopard-1/build/Lib/smtplib.py", line 295, in connect self.sock = self._get_socket(host, port, self.timeout) File "/Users/buildbot/buildarea/3.x.parc-leopard-1/build/Lib/smtplib.py", line 762, in _get_socket new_socket = socket.create_connection((host, port), timeout) File "/Users/buildbot/buildarea/3.x.parc-leopard-1/build/Lib/socket.py", line 321, in create_connection raise error(msg) socket.error: [Errno 61] Connection refused This make me think that the list of ports enumerated at http://wiki.python.org/moin/BuildBot is incomplete. We need a complete list. If you know of additional ports, please add them to the wiki page. Bill

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buildbot svn exceptions again...
by Bill Janssen May 16, 2010

May 16, 2010

parc-leopard-1 (and most of the other builders) are failing the svn checkout with the following error: svn: PROPFIND of '/projects/python/trunk': Could not resolve hostname `svn.python.org': Temporary failure in name resolution (http://svn.python.org) When I log into that machine as "buildbot" and do the svn checkout manually using the following command /usr/bin/svn checkout --non-interactive --no-auth-cache --revision HEAD http://svn.python.org/projects/python/trunk build it works fine. Bill

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frozendict (was: Possible patch for functools partial...)
by Yaniv Aknin May 16, 2010

May 16, 2010

> > > So I'm thinking either we make an > > immutable/hashable dict while we're at it, or store the keyword > > arguments as a tuple (which guarantees immutability), and only > > convert them back to a dict when you want to call the partial object > > (simpler, slower). > > I'd support an immutable dict. [...] I've set out to implement a frozendict (like frozenset) for use to store functools.keywords' attribute, and quickly realized I didn't think of an obvious flaw in that idea. A frozenset will only accept hashable members, but a frozendict can't afford this luxury for its values. I'm not sure how should I go about handling that, if at all. Should I implement a frozendict which will remain unhashable but support equality testing like a regular dict? A frozendict that is only hashable if all its values are hashable, like a tuple? Is the whole notion of a frozendict worthy, given this limitation? I'd be happy to hear python-dev's guidance on this. Cheers, - Yaniv

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robots exclusion file on the buildbot pages?
by Antoine Pitrou May 15, 2010

May 15, 2010

Hello, The buildbots are sometimes subject to a flood of "svn exception" errors. It has been conjectured that these errors are caused by Web crawlers pressing "force build" buttons without filling any of the fields (of course, the fact that we get such ugly errors in the buildbot results, rather than a clean error message when pressing the button, is a buildbot bug in itself). Couldn't we simply exclude all crawlers from the buildbot Web pages? Regards Antoine.

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Python Web Developer @ Meebo (Perm in Mountain View, CA.)
by Kiko Griffin May 15, 2010

May 15, 2010

Hello All, Meebo is looking for a bright, fun, dedicated software engineer who's interested in supporting a growing revenue team, loves a good challenge, and wants to learn about how advertising operations works from the inside out. In this role, you will be responsible for implementing and maintaining critical tools that support the ongoing adops infrastructure, ranging from content acquisition to ad inventory management. As a developer on the ads team, you'll be exposed to many business functions and you'll support and develop tools and systems to streamline the entire process. Our team is fun, friendly, and willing to work really hard to meet our goals. We love a great user experience, internal and external. *Responsibilities:* - Work with ads team to create and maintain mission critical support tools - Work closely with Sales and Marketing teams to elicit feedback from partners - Design and implement partner facing tools - Participate in product meetings to determine necessary systems - Scale and optimize with a growing revenue stream - Interface with both server and client side teams to leverage existing tools *What you will need:* - 3-5+ years of software engineering experience in Linux/Unix - BS, MS in Computer Science (or equivalent) - Strong expertise in Python, Perl, php, or other scripting languages - Knowledge of Django, PIG a plus - Database experience a plus - Ability to work with technical and non-technical teams, in an extremely fast-paced environment - Strong UI design sense with the ability to adapt, take critical feedback, and execute quickly on tasks *Big pluses:* - Experience working with large scale systems - Experience working with ad ops industry tools such as: Doubleclick, Atlas, 24/7, Salesforce, Dart Sales Manager, Solbright, Operative If at all interested OR know someone who might be interested please reply here Kiko(a)meebo-inc.com. Thanks, Kiko Griffin kiko(a)meebo-inc.com

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configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
by Bill Janssen May 14, 2010

May 14, 2010

I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. I should configure that out. I'm looking for documentation on how to configure the build slave so that it skips this test. Bill

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HEADS UP: Compilation risk with new GCC 4.5.0
by Jesus Cea May 14, 2010

May 14, 2010

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [Zlib-devel] HEADS UP: Apparent bad compilation under (just released) GCC 4.5.0 <http://mail.madler.net/pipermail/zlib-devel_madler.net/2010-May/002267.html> GCC Bugzilla Bug 40838 gcc shouldn't assume that the stack is aligned http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40838 Short history: new GCC 4.5.0 (released a month ago), when compiling with - -O3, is adding MMX/SSE instructions that requires stack aligned to 16 byte. This is wrong, since x86 ABI only requires stack aligned to 4 bytes. If you compile EVERYTHING with GCC 4.5.0, you are safe (I guess!), but if your environment has mixed compiled code (for instance, the OS libraries), you can possibly "core dump". If you have an old compiled Python and you update libs compiled with GCC 4.5.0, you can crash in the process. Psyco is showing the issue, but it is not the culprit. It only leaves - -correctly- the stack in not 16-byte alignment. But there are plenty of examples of crashes not related to python+psyco. Proposal: add "-fno-tree-vectorize" to compilation options for 2.7/3.2. Warm 2.3/2.4/2.5/2.6/3.0/3.1 users. Or warm users compiling with GCC 4.5.0. - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea(a)jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea@jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ . _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQCVAwUBS+qpcZlgi5GaxT1NAQLAjgP/anZ5C2lED190++ffcluApF3ASF20iSnH t21ynHxrz2fgkPeOxeGRAqGEGCc3jZ0UuXchECcLLzFhI8WQS8K766EOgOKdwZLV WCt0ohWZ0FfsJZX4J5Y73x39uhjShbnl6SSek2uEvPi/tua/R4W/kVXrAZ0ZZR6/ vRqSUXpdolM= =5K+S -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Summary of Python tracker Issues
by Python tracker May 14, 2010

May 14, 2010

ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2010-05-07 - 2010-05-14) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue number. Do NOT respond to this message. 2678 open (+43) / 17853 closed (+23) / 20531 total (+66) Open issues with patches: 1090 Average duration of open issues: 722 days. Median duration of open issues: 495 days. Open Issues Breakdown open 2658 (+43) languishing 12 ( +0) pending 7 ( +0) Issues Created Or Reopened (72) _______________________________ __import__ with fromlist= 2010-05-08 http://bugs.python.org/issue2090 reopened brett.cannon patch SSL handshake fails after TCP connection in getpeername() 2010-05-07 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue4171 reopened ddvoinikov A number tests "crash" if python is compiled --without-threads 2010-05-13 http://bugs.python.org/issue7449 reopened skrah patch, easy, needs review pep-0370 on osx duplicates existing functionality 2010-05-08 http://bugs.python.org/issue8084 reopened mark.dickinson patch, needs review, buildbot tiger buildbot: test_abspath_issue3426 failure (test_genericpa 2010-05-13 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8422 reopened flox buildbot PyUnicode_GetMax is undocumented 2010-05-07 http://bugs.python.org/issue8647 created stutzbach The UTF-7 codec functions are undocumented 2010-05-07 http://bugs.python.org/issue8648 created stutzbach Py_UNICODE_* functions are undocumented 2010-05-07 http://bugs.python.org/issue8649 created stutzbach zlibmodule.c isn't 64-bit clean 2010-05-07 http://bugs.python.org/issue8650 created pitrou "s#" and friends can silently truncate buffer length 2010-05-07 http://bugs.python.org/issue8651 created pitrou Minor improvements to the "Handling Exceptions" part of the tu 2010-05-07 http://bugs.python.org/issue8652 created marienz urlparse.urlparse/urlsplit doc missing 2010-05-07 http://bugs.python.org/issue8653 created dabrahams Improve ABI compatibility between UCS2 and UCS4 builds 2010-05-07 http://bugs.python.org/issue8654 created stutzbach patch Problem with getpeercert in the ssl module when retrieving cli 2010-05-07 http://bugs.python.org/issue8655 created Westly.Ward urllib2 mangles file://-scheme URLs 2010-05-08 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8656 created dabrahams urlparse.urlunsplit should be smarter about + 2010-05-08 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8657 created dabrahams patch urlparse.urlunsplit should be smarter about + and file urls 2010-05-08 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8658 created orsenthil patch ABS(x) == 0 can be simplified to x == 0 2010-05-08 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8659 created stutzbach patch, needs review py3k weakref documentation mentions the long built-in type 2010-05-08 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8660 created durban FAQ item 2.25 is unclear 2010-05-08 http://bugs.python.org/issue8661 created exarkun bytes join cannot join bytes 2010-05-08 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8662 created perey Failed compile in a non-ASCII path 2010-05-08 http://bugs.python.org/issue8663 created pitrou patch py_compile.compile() should consistently create parent directo 2010-05-08 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8664 created Arfrever patch "make pycremoval" fails 2010-05-08 http://bugs.python.org/issue8665 created pitrou Allow ConfigParser.get*() to take a default value 2010-05-08 http://bugs.python.org/issue8666 created Gumnos patch Link to PEP 3147 from importlib docs 2010-05-08 http://bugs.python.org/issue8667 created brett.cannon easy add a 'develop' command 2010-05-09 http://bugs.python.org/issue8668 created meatballhat lack of bdist_rpm module raises error on 'setup.py --help-comm 2010-05-09 http://bugs.python.org/issue8669 created meatballhat c_types.c_wchar should not assume that sizeof(wchar_t) == size 2010-05-09 http://bugs.python.org/issue8670 created stutzbach patch A small erorr on http://docs.python.org/library/re.html 2010-05-09 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8671 created bones7456 Error decompressing valid zlib data 2010-05-09 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8672 created matthew.brett patch configure script doesn't recognize 10.5 SDK correctly 2010-05-10 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8673 created ronaldoussoren audioop: incorrect integer overflow checks 2010-05-10 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8674 created thoger patch audioop module needs an int -> Py_ssize_t upgrade 2010-05-10 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8675 created mark.dickinson patch, easy Py3k Built-in Exceptions documentation mentions the raise stat 2010-05-10 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8676 created durban Modules needing PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN 2010-05-10 http://bugs.python.org/issue8677 created pitrou crashers in rgbimg 2010-05-10 http://bugs.python.org/issue8678 created brett.cannon write a distutils to distutils2 converter 2010-05-10 http://bugs.python.org/issue8679 created tarek Add a sandbox in Distutils2 2010-05-10 http://bugs.python.org/issue8680 created tarek Make the zlib module emit more detailed error messages 2010-05-10 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8681 created pitrou patch _ssl.c uses PyWeakref_GetObject but doesn't incref result 2010-05-10 http://bugs.python.org/issue8682 created pitrou HPUX Segmentation fault in Modules/gcmodule.c -- if (!gc_list_ 2010-05-11 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8683 created srid improvements to sched.py 2010-05-11 http://bugs.python.org/issue8684 created josiahcarlson patch, patch, needs review set(range(100000)).difference(set()) is slow 2010-05-11 http://bugs.python.org/issue8685 created spiv patch "This isn't defined beyond that" phrase is not friendly to non 2010-05-11 http://bugs.python.org/issue8686 created naoki sched.py module doesn't have a test suite 2010-05-11 http://bugs.python.org/issue8687 created giampaolo.rodola patch distutils sdist is too laze w.r.t. recalculating MANIFEST 2010-05-11 http://bugs.python.org/issue8688 created ronaldoussoren sqlite3 parameter substitution breaks with multiple parameters 2010-05-11 http://bugs.python.org/issue8689 created azriphale multiprocessing.dummy.Queue does not expose same interface as 2010-05-11 http://bugs.python.org/issue8690 created Jason.Baker Doc: left alignment is not the default for numbers 2010-05-11 http://bugs.python.org/issue8691 created tjreedy Use divide-and-conquer for faster factorials 2010-05-11 http://bugs.python.org/issue8692 created stutzbach patch, patch, needs review Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams 2010-05-12 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8693 reopened mbnoimi python3 FAQ mentions unicode() 2010-05-12 http://bugs.python.org/issue8694 created ohnobinki Issue while installing Python 2.6.5 in IBM AIX 6.1 2010-05-12 http://bugs.python.org/issue8695 created senthil_l PEP 391: Adding documentation of logging.config.dictConfig 2010-05-12 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8696 created akuchling patch PEP 391: Adding documentation of logging.config.dictConfig 2010-05-12 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8697 created akuchling patch, needs review PEP 391: Adding documentation of logging.config.dictConfig 2010-05-12 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8698 created akuchling patch, needs review Equality and hashing for functools.partial 2010-05-12 http://bugs.python.org/issue8699 created durban patch strip() is removing an extra character if the strip pattern co 2010-05-12 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8700 created Balachander.Ganesan tarfile: first character of member names doubled 2010-05-12 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8701 created pooryorick difflib: unified_diff produces wrong patches (again) 2010-05-13 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8702 created techtonik easy Py3k PyList_Type documentation mentions types.ListType 2010-05-13 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue8703 created durban cgitb sends a bogus HTTP header if the app crashes before fini 2010-05-13 http://bugs.python.org/issue8704 created stutzbach easy shutil.rmtree with empty filepath 2010-05-13 http://bugs.python.org/issue8705 created dbkoch accept keyword arguments on all base type methods and builtins 2010-05-13 http://bugs.python.org/issue8706 created gregory.p.smith Duplicated document in telnetlib. 2010-05-13 http://bugs.python.org/issue8707 created naoki OpenID blunder 2010-05-14 http://bugs.python.org/issue8708 created Jack.Diederich mention explicitly Windows support for os.devnull 2010-05-14 http://bugs.python.org/issue8709 created akira patch test_xpickle: compat tests: workaround for missing test_suppor 2010-05-14 http://bugs.python.org/issue8710 created skrah Document PyUnicode_DecodeFSDefault() and PyUnicode_DecodeFSDef 2010-05-14 http://bugs.python.org/issue8711 created haypo patch Skip libpthread related test failures on OpenBSD 2010-05-14 http://bugs.python.org/issue8712 created skrah patch, needs review bdist_deb - Debian packager 2010-05-07 CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue1054967 reopened merwok patch Issues Now Closed (54) ______________________ cmath is numerically unsound 920 days http://bugs.python.org/issue1381 bins patch test_uuid is warning about unreliable functions 904 days http://bugs.python.org/issue1481 skrah patch Add a factorial function 786 days http://bugs.python.org/issue2138 mark.dickinson Py_FatalError causes infinite loop 632 days http://bugs.python.org/issue3605 jyasskin needs review SSL handshake fails after TCP connection in getpeername() 1 days http://bugs.python.org/issue4171 pitrou {context,unified}_diff add spurious trailing whitespace if fro 490 days http://bugs.python.org/issue4898 r.david.murray patch Implement PEP 376 484 days http://bugs.python.org/issue4908 tarek patch subprocess.Popen.__del__ causes AttributeError (os module == N 469 days http://bugs.python.org/issue5099 brett.cannon patch, needs review test_smtplib fails on os x 10.6 220 days http://bugs.python.org/issue7040 giampaolo.rodola difflib should separate filename from timestamp with tab 137 days http://bugs.python.org/issue7585 techtonik patch unittest: allow an 'import_path' as an alternative to 'top_lev 103 days http://bugs.python.org/issue7780 michael.foord Provide unittest.TestCase.assertNotRegexpMatches 67 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8038 michael.foord patch Python 3.1.2rc1 doesn't compile using the 10.4 sdk on a 10.6 M 62 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8126 ronaldoussoren Putting a function in a unittest.TestSuite doesn't work 35 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8301 michael.foord python -m unittest -h and python -m unittest discover -h messa 37 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8303 michael.foord siginterrupt with flag=False is reset when signal received 30 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8354 exarkun patch, needs review tiger buildbot: test_abspath_issue3426 failure (test_genericpa 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8422 haypo buildbot openssl version detection doesn't work properly when using OSX 20 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8444 ronaldoussoren asyncore test suite 19 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8490 giampaolo.rodola patch, patch update to autoconf2.65 18 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8510 mark.dickinson patch, needs review Add fsencode() functions to os module 15 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8514 haypo patch unittest test discovery can fail when package under test is al 11 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8547 michael.foord zlib causes a SystemError when decompressing a chunk >1GB 8 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8571 pitrou patch Update/reorganize _winreg documentation 12 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8575 brian.curtin patch, patch, needs review test_urllib2.py test failures on Py3K Mac OS X 8 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8588 mark.dickinson enumerate() test cases do not cover optional start argument 2 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8636 benjamin.peterson patch json.loads description 3 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8642 georg.brandl patch timedelta.total_seconds needlessly inaccurate, especially for 2 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8644 mark.dickinson patch urllib2 mangles file://-scheme URLs 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8656 orsenthil urlparse.urlunsplit should be smarter about + 5 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8657 orsenthil patch urlparse.urlunsplit should be smarter about + and file urls 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8658 orsenthil patch ABS(x) == 0 can be simplified to x == 0 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8659 mark.dickinson patch, needs review py3k weakref documentation mentions the long built-in type 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8660 benjamin.peterson bytes join cannot join bytes 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8662 perey py_compile.compile() should consistently create parent directo 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8664 benjamin.peterson patch A small erorr on http://docs.python.org/library/re.html 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8671 eric.smith Error decompressing valid zlib data 2 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8672 pitrou patch configure script doesn't recognize 10.5 SDK correctly 3 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8673 ronaldoussoren audioop: incorrect integer overflow checks 1 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8674 mark.dickinson patch audioop module needs an int -> Py_ssize_t upgrade 1 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8675 mark.dickinson patch, easy Py3k Built-in Exceptions documentation mentions the raise stat 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8676 benjamin.peterson Make the zlib module emit more detailed error messages 1 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8681 pitrou patch HPUX Segmentation fault in Modules/gcmodule.c -- if (!gc_list_ 1 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8683 pitrou Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8693 mbnoimi PEP 391: Adding documentation of logging.config.dictConfig 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8696 akuchling patch PEP 391: Adding documentation of logging.config.dictConfig 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8697 akuchling patch, needs review PEP 391: Adding documentation of logging.config.dictConfig 1 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8698 meatballhat patch, needs review strip() is removing an extra character if the strip pattern co 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8700 r.david.murray tarfile: first character of member names doubled 1 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8701 pooryorick difflib: unified_diff produces wrong patches (again) 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8702 mark.dickinson easy Py3k PyList_Type documentation mentions types.ListType 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue8703 benjamin.peterson Carbon Event ReceiveNextEvent 2479 days http://bugs.python.org/issue779285 tjreedy bdist_deb - Debian packager 0 days http://bugs.python.org/issue1054967 tarek patch update urlparse to RFC 3986 1280 days http://bugs.python.org/issue1591035 orsenthil easy Top Issues Most Discussed (10) ______________________________ 45 Use divide-and-conquer for faster factorials 3 days open http://bugs.python.org/issue8692 25 Improve ABI compatibility between UCS2 and UCS4 builds 7 days open http://bugs.python.org/issue8654 14 Failed compile in a non-ASCII path 6 days open http://bugs.python.org/issue8663 11 let's equip ftplib.FTP with __enter__ and __exit__ 482 days open http://bugs.python.org/issue4972 10 add a distutils test command 39 days open http://bugs.python.org/issue8324 10 cookielib doesn't handle URLs with / in parameters 625 days open http://bugs.python.org/issue3704 9 Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams 0 days closed http://bugs.python.org/issue8693 9 timedelta.total_seconds needlessly inaccurate, especially for n 2 days closed http://bugs.python.org/issue8644 9 update to autoconf2.65 18 days closed http://bugs.python.org/issue8510 9 input() doesn't catch _PyUnicode_AsString() exception; io.Strin 47 days open http://bugs.python.org/issue8256

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PEP 7 updated
by Antoine Pitrou May 13, 2010

May 13, 2010

Hello, The untabification of C files didn't produce any noticeable problem on the buildbots. I've updated PEP 7 with the mention that all C files should be 4-space indented, and removed the obsolete wording about some files being indented with tabs. Regards Antoine.

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Python on Windows with CoApp
by Trent Nelson May 13, 2010

May 13, 2010

Howdy folks, Quick e-mail at 34,000ft (aren't wifi-enabled flights great?) to mention a new initiative that's been started by Microsoft called CoApp (Common Opensource Application Publishing Platform). The aim is simple: make open source software rock on Windows ;-) It's probably easiest to think of it as a Microsoft-endorsed-but-community-run open source distribution for Windows, akin to all the various package managers for Linux distributions and ports/packages for the *BSDs. There are specific user and developer experiences we'll be addressing -- like making it easy to install and use open source software, or use it within your own project (open source or not). CoApp will affect Python in one of two ways. Once there's a clear-cut specification for open source projects to follow, Python can either decide to follow it, or not. The same applies to all open source packages, actually. For those that follow it, great! If not, no problem -- the plan is to shallow-fork such projects via launchpad and the CoApp community will take responsibility for getting releases of open source projects into CoApp shape. It's in its infancy at the moment -- it took the chap (Garrett Serack) who's spearheading it at Microsoft about six months to get it all signed off by the lawyers and platform/server VPs. So, for those of you out there who are Windows-inclined, now's a perfect time to get involved to help shape the direction of CoApp going forward. The website/wiki is http://coapp.org/ and the launchpad project site is http://launchpad.net/coapp (which is where the mailing list is hosted). We're actually having a 'CoApp Development Summit' tomorrow and Friday in Seattle (that Microsoft's graciously sponsored). The event will be accessible via Live Meeting for those that are interested: http://coapp.org/Project_Planning/CoApp_Design_and_Development_Summit Regards, Trent.

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