Mailman 3 March 2011 - Python-Dev

Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form
by Terry Reedy 03 Apr '11

03 Apr '11

The tracker was recently changed so that when I click on a link to a tracker page, the page is properly displayed, but then a fraction of a second it blinks and redisplays with the edit form hidden. This is so obnoxious to me that I no longer want to visit the tracker. Then I have to find and click the button to get back the edit form that I nearly always want to see, as I often make changes. All this to compress the page by half a screen, which makes almost no difference once one grabs the scrollbar anyway. If someone actually considers this a desired feature, after using it, then please add a field on the profile page to select autofolding or not. Also, there should be a button to fold as well as one to unfold. -- Terry Jan Reedy

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Decisions about workflow
by Facundo Batista 02 Apr '11

02 Apr '11

I know there's a big ideas exchange in this list about how to use Mercurial in the Python project. I know that still there is not wide and firm consensus about the whole workflow to follow. But maybe some small decisions are already taken, some suggestions about the best way to do this or that, even if there are others that are not taken. Is this being documented somewhere? Thank you! -- . Facundo Blog: http://www.taniquetil.com.ar/plog/ PyAr: http://www.python.org/ar/

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not possible to install python 3.2
by Laura 02 Apr '11

02 Apr '11

I order to install Python as python3 on Linux, i did: ./configure make make test sudo make install However, when i typed "make test", i got two error messages: "test test_distutils failed -- multiple errors occurred; run in verbose mode for details" "sys:1: ResourceWarning: unclosed file <_io.TextIOWrapper name='/dev/null' mode='a' encoding='ANSI_X3.4-1968'> make: *** [test] Error 1" The Result? When I type python on Linux, i get the older version 2.7.1 instead of the version that i just installed (python 3.2). Could you help me? Thank you, Laura

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Use regrtest.py --timeout on buildbots
by Victor Stinner 01 Apr '11

01 Apr '11

Hi, I just added a --timeout option to Lib/test/regrtest.py: if a test (one function, not a whole file) takes more than TIMEOUT seconds, the traceback is dumped and it exits. I tested it on 3 buildbots with a timeout of 5 minutes and it worked as expected: see #11727 for examples. It would be nice to have this feature enabled on all buildbots. We may set a default timeout of 15 minutes. If a test takes more than 15 minutes, something goes wrong! Some buildbot use a timeout of 1200 or 3600 seconds for regrtest (all tests). But the build slave should be able to override the default timeout. What do you think? Victor

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warn_unused_result warnings
by Benjamin Peterson 01 Apr '11

01 Apr '11

I'm rather sick of seeing this warnings on all compiles, so I propose we enable the -Wno-unused-results option. I judge that most of the cases where this occurs are error reporting functions, where not much with return code can be done. -- Regards, Benjamin

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Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer
by Raymond Hettinger 01 Apr '11

01 Apr '11

The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to improve its usability. What we've got now is a step backwards from the previous svn viewer. Looking at http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Lib/linecache.py for example, there are two issues. 1) the code cannot be cut-and-pasted because the line numbers are commingled with the source text. 2) the code is hard to read because of the alternating white and gray bars. Contrast that to the more typical, beautiful presentations with a solid background and the ability to cut-and-paste without grabbing line numbers: http://dpaste.org/qyKv/ http://code.activestate.com/recipes/577629-namedtupleabc-abstract-base-clas… Raymond P.S. The old svn viewer worked great (looked good and could be cut), but that was changed just before the Mercurial switchover (the fonts changed, the line numbering code changed, and the leading changed), so it is not a good comparison anymore.

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faulthandler is now part of Python 3.3
by Victor Stinner 01 Apr '11

01 Apr '11

Hi, I pushed my faulthandler module into the default branch (Python 3.3). Since one week, I fixed a lot of bugs (platform issues), improved the tests and Antoine wrote a new implementation of dump_backtraces_later() using a thread (instead of SIGALRM+alarm()). It should now work on all platforms (but register() is not available on Windows). Use "python -X faulthandler" or "PYTHONFAULTHANDLER=1 python" to install the fault handler at startup (catch segfaults and other fatal errors). You can also register a signal (e.g. SIGUSR1) to dump the traceback on this signal. The latest added feature is to be able to the dump the traceback after a timeout and exit the process: we may use it on regrtest.py to learn more about test_multiprocess and test_threadsignals hangs. Issue #11393 has a patch implementing this issue: add --timeout option to regrtest.py. You can also just dump the traceback after the timeout without exiting. Py_FatalError() always print the Python traceback (except if an exception was raised: print the exception with its traceback). For more information, read the doc: http://docs.python.org/dev/library/faulthandler.html Please tell me if you have any issue related to faulthandler. -- If you get "undefined reference to `_PyFaulthandler_Init'" compiler error, copy Modules/Setup.dist to Modules/Setup (cp Modules/Setup.dist Modules/Setup). test_faulthandler hangs on AMD64 Gentoo Wide 3.x and AMD64 OpenIndiana 3.x. It looks to be related to the stack overflow test (the stack is maybe not limited on these buildbots?). I have a patch, but I cannot test it because these buildbots are dead (oops, sorry!). Most buildbots are red because a regression in test_logging (since 2 days): I disabled temporary the test (issue #11557), I hope that the situation will be better in a few hours. Thank you Antoine for your reviews! Victor

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Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a table of contents to the FAQ.
by Antoine Pitrou 01 Apr '11

01 Apr '11

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:00:22 +0200 ezio.melotti <python-checkins(a)python.org> wrote: > http://hg.python.org/devguide/rev/f722956afeac > changeset: 405:f722956afeac > user: Ezio Melotti > date: Tue Mar 29 22:00:13 2011 +0300 > summary: > Add a table of contents to the FAQ. Could it be collapsed by default? It's quite long, and redundant with the sidebar. thanks Antoine.

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Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Issue #11393: get more information on assertion error (test_faulthandler)
by Victor Stinner 31 Mar '11

31 Mar '11

> > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/61626c3f3a54 > >... > > - assert (b -a)>= pause > > + assert (b - a)>= pause, "{{}}< {{}}".format(b - a, pause) > > > + assert (b - a)>= pause, "{{}}< {{}}".format(b - a, pause) > > >>> a,b,pause = 0,0,1 > >>> "{{}} < {{}}".format(b - a, pause) > '{} < {}' > > I suspect you want 1 or 3 braces. > > Terry Nope, I really want {{}}: the diff is on a template using to generate Python code executed in a subprocess. Victor

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EuroPython 2011: call for paper is ending - Please spread the word!
by Palla 31 Mar '11

31 Mar '11

Hi all members, I'm Francesco and I am writing on behalf of "Python Italia APS", a no-profit association promoting EuroPython conference. (www.europython.eu) Europython End of Call for Presentations is April 6th. I'd like to ask to you to forward this mail to anyone that you feel may be interested. We're looking for proposals on every aspects of Python: programming from novice to advanced levels, applications and frameworks, or how you have been involved in introducing Python into your organisation. **First-time speakers are especially welcome**; EuroPython is a community conference and we are eager to hear about your experience. If you have friends or colleagues who have something valuable to contribute, twist their arms to tell us about it! Presenting at EuroPython ------------------------ We will accept a broad range of presentations, from reports on academic and commercial projects to tutorials and case studies. As long as the presentation is interesting and potentially useful to the Python community, it will be considered for inclusion in the programme. Can you show the conference-goers something new and useful? Can you show attendees how to: use a module? Explore a Python language feature? Package an application? If so, consider submitting a talk. Talks and hands-on trainings ---------------------------- There are two different kind of presentations that you can give as a speaker at EuroPython: * **Regular talk**. These are standard "talk with slides", allocated in slots of 45, 60 or 90 minutes, depending on your preference and scheduling constraints. A Q&A session is held at the end of the talk. * **Hands-on training**. These are advanced training sessions for a smaller audience (10-20 people), to dive into the subject with all details. These sessions are 4-hours long, and audience will be strongly encouraged to bring a laptop to experiment. They should be prepared with less slides and more source code. If possible, trainers will also give a short "teaser talk" of 30 minutes the day before the training, to tease delegates into attending the training. In the talk submission form, we assume that you intend to give a regular talk on the subject, but you will be asked if you are available for also doing a hands-on training on the very same subject. Speakers that will give a hands-on training are rewarded with a **free entrance** to EuroPython to compensate for the longer preparation required, and might also be eligible for a speaking fee (which we cannot confirm at the moment). Topics and goals ---------------- Specific topics for EuroPython presentations include, but are not limited to: - Core Python - Other implementations: Jython, IronPython, PyPy, and Stackless - Python libraries and extensions - Python 3.x migration - Databases - Documentation - GUI Programming - Game Programming - Network Programming - Open Source Python projects - Packaging Issues - Programming Tools - Project Best Practices - Embedding and Extending - Science and Math - Web-based Systems Presentation goals usually are some of the following: - Introduce audience to a new topic they are unaware of - Introduce audience to new developments on a well-known topic - Show audience real-world usage scenarios for a specific topic (case study) - Dig into advanced and relatively-unknown details on a topic - Compare different options in the market on a topic Community-based talk voting --------------------------- This year, for the first time in EuroPython history, the talk voting process is fully public. Every partecipant gains the right to vote for talks submitted during the Call For Papers, as soon as they commit to their presence at the conference by buying a ticket. See all the details in the talk voting[1] page. Contacts -------- For any further question, feel free to contact the organizers at info(a)pycon.it. Thank you! [1]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/talk-voting -- ->PALLA

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