On 2 June 2015 at 14:39, Yury Selivanov firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
On 2015-05-31 8:35 AM, Ben Leslie wrote:
I'm just starting my exploration into using async/await; all my 'real-world' scenarios are currently hypothetical.
One such hypothetical scenario however is that if I have a server process running, with some set of concurrent connections, each managed by a co-routine. Each co-routine is of some arbitrary complexity e.g: some combination of reading files, reading from database, reading from peripherals. If I notice one of those co-routines appears stuck and not making progress, I'd very much like to debug that, and preferably in a way that doesn't necessarily stop the rest of the server (or even the co-routine that appears stuck).
The problem with the "if debug: log(...)" approach is that you need foreknowledge of the fault state occurring; on a busy server you don't want to just be logging every 'switch()'. I guess you could do something like "switch_state[outer_coro] = get_current_stack_frames()" on each switch. To me double book-keeping something that the interpreter already knows seems somewhat wasteful but maybe it isn't really too bad.
I guess it all depends on how "switching" is organized in your framework of choice. In asyncio, for instance, all the code that knows about coroutines is in tasks.py. `Task` class is responsible for running coroutines, and it's the single place where you would need to put the "if debug: ..." line for debugging "slow" Futures-- the only thing that coroutines can "stuck" with (the other thing is accidentally calling blocking code, but your proposal wouldn't help with that).
I suspect that I haven't properly explained the motivating case.
My motivating case is being able to debug a relatively large, complex system. If the system crashes (through an exception), or in some other manner enters an unexpected state (co-routines blocked for too long) it would be very nice to be able to debug an arbitrary co-routine, not necessarily the one indicating a bad system state, to see exactly what it is/was doing at the time the anomalous behavior occurs.
So, this is a case of trying to analyse some system wide behavior than necessarily one particular task. So until you start analysing the rest of the system you don't know which co-routines you want to analyse.
My motivation for this is primarily avoiding double book-keeping. I assume that the framework has organised things so that there is some data structure to find all the co-routines (or some other object wrapping the co-routines) and that all the "switching" occurs in one place.
With that in mind I can have some code that works something like:
@coroutine def switch(): coro_stacks[current_coro] = inspect.getouterframes(inspect.currentframe()) ....
I think something like this is probably the best approach to achieve my desired goals with currently available APIs.
However I really don't like it as it required this double book-keeping. I'm manually retaining this trace back for each coro, which seems like a waste of memory, considering the interpreter already has this information stored, just unexposed.
I feel it is desirable, and in-line with existing Python patterns to expose the interpreter data structures, rather than making the user do extra work to access the same information.