So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as before: "search" -> "download" -> "unzip" -> "cmd" -> "cd" -> "python setup.py install" Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct user how to download and install an actual package management tool when users tries to use it. So far I know only one stable tool - `easy_install` - a part of `setuptools` package. The required behavior for very basic user friendliness: 1. user installs Python 2.7 2. user issues `python -m easy_install something` 3. user gets message 'easy_install' tool is not installed on this system. To make it available, download and install `setuptools` package from http://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools/ 4. the screen is paused before exit (for windows systems) Other design notes: 1. if package tries to import `easy_install` module used for bootstrap, it gets the same ImportException as if there were no `easy_install` at all 2. bootstrap module is overwritten by actual package when users installs it So, do we need a PEP for that? How else can I know if consensus is reached? Anybody is willing to elaborate on implementation? P.S. Please be careful to reply to relevant lists -- anatoly t. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Tarek Ziadé <ziade.tarek@gmail.com> wrote:
2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik <techtonik@gmail.com>: [..]
It is really hard to follow. You should at least change subjects when switching topic.
I was talking about the work going on and the decisions taken lately.
I never change topics of threads mails when there's less than 100 mails, because I find it way more confusing :)
So, what is the verdict? Will there be a package management tool or bootstrap package for it shipped with Python 2.7 or not?
As I said in the mail you've quoted, all improvements are made in Distutils2. So the answer is no. Python 2.7b1 is due in less than a week anyways, so any new development on this topic will happen after.
Basically Python 2.7 == Python 2.6 in term of packaging.
Regards Tarek
-- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org