That could be good.  :)  And sometimes standards are rubber stamped by other bodies.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 12:03 PM Paul Bryan <pbryan@anode.ca> wrote:
What if PSF were to undertake codifying a language specification?

On Fri, 2021-02-12 at 11:57 -0800, Dan Stromberg wrote:

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 11:02 AM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev <python-dev@python.org> wrote:

How a standard by ANSI, ECMA and/or ISO is any better than a standard by the PSF?


I don't think what the PSF is producing is truly a standard.

Is PSF bad at "controlling its growth and avoiding featuritis" in your opinion or smth?


It's not the PSF I have an issue with. It's having a reference implementation.

I think the PSF has done a pretty good job of keeping in mind what other Python implementations can realistically do also - but doing so is an uphill battle.

I believe Python needs to become more independent of CPython, for Python's long term health.

Think of C.  Where would it be if it had K&R C as a reference implementation, long term?  There are dozens, maybe hundreds of mostly-compatible implementations of C.  I think this should be Python's goal.

Look where not having a standard got Perl.  It is so defined by a single implementation that the language is collapsing under its own weight.  Perl 6 is so not-perl that it was renamed.  Python is much less guilty of exuberant design, that's part of what I like about Python, but like I said, having a reference implementation instead of a standard makes that more difficult.

On 12.02.2021 21:33, Dan Stromberg wrote:


What would it take to create an ANSI, ECMA and/or ISO standard for Python?

It seems to have really helped C.

It looks like Java isn't standardized, and it's done OK, though perhaps it was healthier in the past - before Oracle decided API's were ownable.

I think standardizing Python might be really good for controlling its growth and avoiding featuritis.



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