Hello,

Shouldn't such feedback be also cross-posted to the python-dev mailing
list? Also note the original pull request,
https://github.com/python/peps/pull/1470, and differences of what was
written in the pull request description and what went in the commit
message.


On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 22:10:14 +0200
"Giampaolo Rodola'" <g.rodola@gmail.com> wrote:

> From:
> https://github.com/python/peps/commit/0c6427dcec1e98ca0bd46a876a7219ee4a9347f4
>
> > Instead of requiring that comments be written in Strunk & White
> > Standard 
> English, require instead that English-language comments be clear and
> easily understandable by other English speakers. This accomplishes
> the same goal without upholding relics of white supremacy. Many
> native English speakers do not use Standard English as their native
> dialect, so requiring conformation to Standard English centers
> whiteness in an inappropriate and unnecessary way, and can alienate
> and put up barriers for people of color and those whose native
> dialect of English is not Standard English. This change is a simple
> way to correct that while maintaining the original intent of the
> requirement.
>
> This has nothing to do with making the wording "clear and
> understandable" (I agree on that). It's about, once again, bringing
> race-based politics into Python, and spreading hate towards a
> specific group of people: whites. Whether you're aware of it or not,
> there is a term for this: it's racism. I want to remind everyone that
> most of us here simply want to contribute code. We do it for free,
> and don't want to be involved in "this", because frankly it's
> disgusting. Doing something out of passion and for free, and at the
> same time seeing these sorts of things happening on a regular basis,
> looks and feels like an insult, and will only lead to people leaving
> this place.
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:27 PM Keara Berlin <kearaberlin@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all, this is a very small change, but I thought I would field it
> > here to see if anyone has suggestions or ideas. Instead of
> > requiring that comments be written in Strunk & White Standard
> > English, PEP-8 should require instead that English-language
> > comments be clear and easily understandable by other English
> > speakers. This accomplishes the same goal without alienating or
> > putting up barriers for people (especially people of color) whose
> > native dialect of English is not Standard English. This change is a
> > simple way to correct that while maintaining the original intent of
> > the requirement. This change may even make the requirement more
> > clear to people who are not familiar with Strunk & White, since for
> > programmers, the main relevant aspect of that standard is "be clear
> > and concise;" simply saying that instead of referencing Strunk &
> > White may communicate this more effectively. Here is the current
> > line in PEP-8: "When writing English, follow Strunk and White."
> > I propose changing this line to "When writing English, ensure that
> > your comments are clear and easily understandable to other English
> > speakers." _______________________________________________
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>
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