Alex> Sorry if my past well-meant eagerness caused problems; it's Alex> obviously more sensible for people who never use nested functions Alex> to help shape their syntax and semantics, than for those who DO Alex> use them, after all -- and similarly, for people who only care Alex> about their own code to help determine if 'global' is, or isn't, a Alex> cause of problems out there in the wide world of Python newbies Alex> and users far from python-dev. Pardon me? Just because I don't use a particular feature of the language doesn't mean I have no interest in how the language evolves. I don't believe I ever disrespected your ideas or opinions. Why are you disrespecting mine? Hell, why are you disrespecting me? I would be more than happy if nested scopes weren't in the language. Their absence would also make your teaching, advising, mentoring, maintenance and enhancing simpler. I haven't proposed that they be removed, though that would be rather clean way to solve this problem. Alex, if a qualification for discussing improvements to Python is that one use every aspect of the language, please pronounce. I'll be happy to butt out of your turf. Skip