On Sat., 31 Oct. 2020, 9:29 pm Steven D'Aprano, email@example.com wrote:
(3) Overriding the default comparison with an explicit sigil is allowed:
case ==True: print("True, or 1, or 1.0, or 1+0j, etc") case ==None: print("None, or something weird that equals None") case is 1943.63: print("if you see this, the interpreter is caching floats")
Where is this override allowed? It isn't covered under the syntax for value patterns or literal patterns:
* https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0634/#value-patterns * https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0634/#literal-patterns
and there aren't any other pattern types that make comparisons.
It also isn't in the draft reference implementation.
If PEP 634 allowed the exact comparison operator to be specified for patterns (with at least "==" and "is" allowed), and patterns with such explicit operators allowed arbitrary primary expressions as PEP 642 proposes, that would indeed address the bulk of my concerns:
* literal patterns would be an unambiguous shorthand for a comparison pattern (always equality - see discussion below) * attribute patterns would be an unambiguous shorthand for a comparison pattern (always equality) * the implementation would have no need to reinvent a subset of expression compilation specifically for literal and attribute patterns, it could just use the parser to control the conversion of the restricted syntactic shorthand to the more general comparison pattern at the AST level * the deferred ideas in PEP 642 (negated comparisons, containment checks) would all be just as applicable as deferred ideas for an updated PEP 634 that included comparison patterns (with the question mark free spellings "!=", "is not", "in" and "not in")
(To a first approximation, the code needed to implement this feature for PEP 634 is the code I already wrote to implement "?" and "?is" for PEP 642, and the code deletion notes in my branch would also generally apply)
I don't think that there will be any ambiguity between the unary "==" pattern modifier and the real `==` operator. But if I am wrong, then we can change the spelling:
case ?None: print("None, or something weird that equals None") case ?is 1943.63: print("if you see this, the interpreter is caching floats")
(I don't love the question mark here, but I don't hate it either.)
The important thing here is that the cases with no sigil are the common operations; the sigil is only needed for the uncommon case.
The tokeniser does struggle with "==" appearing after "=" or ":" in class patterns and mapping patterns, so you have to make sure to help it out with whitespace or parentheses.
That's why I didn't use it for PEP 642, but the whitespace sensitivity would be more tolerable if the explicit symbol was left out most of the time.
(4) Patterns which could conceivably be interpreted as assignment targets default to capture patterns, because that's what is normally wanted in pattern matching:
case [1, spam, eggs]: # captures spam and eggs
If you don't want to capture a named value, but just match on it, override it with an explicit `==` or `is`:
case [1, ==spam, eggs]: # matches `spam` by equality, captures on eggs
As noted above, the current PEP 634 spec doesn't allow this, but if it did, then I agree it would adress most of the concerns that prompted me to write PEP 642.
If the 634 PEP authors are amenable, I'd be happy to prepare a PR against the PEP that made this change so you could see what it would look like at the grammar level.
Quoting the PEP:
"nobody litters their if-elif chains with x is True or x is False expressions, they write x and not x, both of which compare by value, not identity."
That's incorrect. `if x` doesn't *compare* at all, not by value and not with equality, it duck-types truthiness:
Aye, I considered going back and rewording that part to be more technically precise, but never actually did it (whether by type coercion or equality comparison, the ultimate effect is being more permissive than the strict identity check suggested for literal patterns).
... def __bool__(self): ... return True ... def __eq__(self, other): ... return False ...
x = Demo() x == True
if x: print("truthy")
There's a reasonable argument to make that (unless overridden by an explicit sigil) the `True` and `False` patterns should match by truthiness, not equality or identity, but I'm not going to make that argument.
While I'd consider duck typing True & False less objectionable than comparing them by identity (as it would follow PEP 8), it wouldn't fix the key problem with special casing literals in the compiler: you lose that special casing if the literal value is replaced by a symbolic reference to the literal value.
I don't ever want to be having conversations about why "case True:" doesn't behave the same way as "case some.attr.referring.to.true:".
If PEP 634 had comparison patterns, then users would get "== True" by default for both literal and attribute patterns, "is True" if they explicitly asked for it, and regular boolean coercion if they combined a capture pattern with a guard expression.
I do agree that None & Ellipsis are less of a concern (as almost no one overrides equality to compare equal to those, so comparing by equality vs identity gives the same answer), but that also means the special case would serve little practical purpose.