I'm so out of the loop I didn't even know 2.3c1 was out until I checked www.python.org/2.3 tonight. ;-( Unfortunately, I was really really hoping to get Optik up to version 1.4.2 in time for Python 2.3. The only changes over 1.4.1 are various small refactorings to make Optik/optparse more easily extensible. This should have no effect on people merely using optparse, and anyone extending it (ie. subclassing Option and/or OptionParser) will win -- unless they're extending it by doing evil things like replacing another module's globals. Given that I won't have a minute to work on this stuff until next Monday (July 28) at the earliest, do I have any hope of getting it into 2.3final? Or should I just face reality and make optparse 1.4.2 the first checkin on the 2.3-maint branch? Greg -- Greg Ward <gward@python.net> http://www.gerg.ca/ Quick!! Act as if nothing has happened!