On Sat, Jul 22, 2017, 07:22 Steve Dower, <steve.dower@python.org> wrote:
I believe the trend is due to language like Python and Node.js, most of which aggressively discourage threading (more from the broader community than the core languages, but I see a lot of apps using these now), and also the higher reliability afforded by out-of-process tasks (that is, one crash doesn’t kill the entire app – e.g browser tabs).
Optimizing startup time is incredibly valuable, and having tried it a few times I believe that the import system (in essence, stat calls) is the biggest culprit. The tens of ms prior to the first user import can’t really go anywhere.
Stat calls in the import system were optimized in importlib a while back to be cached in finders so at this point you will have to remove a stat call to lower that cost or cache more which goes into breaking abstractions or designing new APIs. -brett
Cheers,
Steve
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It's a bit of a chicken and egg problem - Windows users avoid
excessive command line program invocation because startup time is
high, so no-one optimises startup time because Windows users don't use
short-lived command line programs. But I'm seeing a trend away from
that - more and more Windows tools these days seem to be comfortable
spawning subprocesses. I don't know what prompted that trend.
The programs I see that are comfortable spawning processes willy-nilly on
windows are mostly .net, which has a lot of the runtime assemblies cached by
the OS in the GAC - if you are spawning a second processes of yourself, or
something that uses the same libraries as you, the compile step on those can
be skipped. Unless you are talking about python/non-.NET programs, in which
case, I have no answer.
Paul
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