[snip Guido's mention of subprocess being included in Python 2.4, if at all possible] Speaking of inclusion, we seemed to have come upon a stalemate with the 'gG' format code additions. Some users (without commit access to Python CVS) have stated they would use it (and currently write their own packing and unpacking functions), but some developers (with commit access to Python CVS) have stated they would never use it. At that point, the discussion pretty much ended. I know that the request is coming in a bit late in the 2.4 development cycle, but waiting until Python 2.5 seems like a bit much, considering that the functionality is so simple it can be proven correct quite easily (if it is to be included). A pronouncement would be nice, but I understand that I am in no position to ask/beg for a (yes, we'll add it) response. <.5 wink> Thank you, - Josiah P.S. Note that everyone involved believes that binascii.from/to_long should be added (I think it was even pronounced by Guido).