On 21Mar2015 14:29, Donald Stufft <donald@stufft.io> wrote:
On Mar 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan@gmail.com> wrote: On 19 March 2015 at 07:51, Donald Stufft <donald@stufft.io> wrote:
I’ve long wished that the OS had it’s own virtual environment. A lot of problems seems to come from trying to cram the things the OS wants with the things that the user wants into the same namespace.
I'm more wanting to go in the other direction and suggest to folks that if they're not *scripting the OS*, then the system Python isn't what they want, and they should be using at least a virtual environment, preferably an entirely separate software collection that they can upgrade on their own timeline, independently of what they system does.
It’s likely easier to get the OS to move it’s own things to a virtual environment than it is to convince every single person who uses an OS to never install globally.
I agree. And just as a data point, this cropped up on the Fedora list yesterday: I broke Yum (by messing with Python libs) http://www.spinics.net/linux/fedora/fedora-users/msg458069.html TL;DR: OP used pip on his system python. Yum broke. Probably hampered his attempts to repair, too. Cheers, Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> The mind reigns, but does not govern. - Paul Valery