Yuri, I think you are making a good case (though I would like for you to be a good citizen and use the bug tracker to submit this for review). Benjamin, what do you think?
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Yury Selivanov firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
On 2010-08-23, at 10:56 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Benjamin Peterson email@example.com wrote:
2010/8/23 Yury Selivanov firstname.lastname@example.org:
- I propose to change 'hasattr' behaviour in Python 3, making it to swallow only AttributeError exceptions (exactly like 'getattr'). Probably, Python 3.2 release is our last chance.
I would be in support of that.
I am cautiously in favor. The existing behavior is definitely a mistake and a trap. But it has been depended on for almost 20 years now.
I recommend that you create a patch, apply it, run the *entire* stdlib test suite and see how much breaks. That will give you an idea of the damage to expect for 3rd party code.
Have done a little testing.
The patch to builtin 'hasattr' function is trivial, and can be found attached to this letter (with the corresponding unittest):
- if (!PyErr_ExceptionMatches(PyExc_Exception))
- if (!PyErr_ExceptionMatches(PyExc_AttributeError))
So, after applying it, hasattr swallows only AttributeError exceptions.
All tests from Python 3.2 test suite were good.
After that, I've applied the patch on Python 2.6 and tested SqlAlchemy, Django and Twisted.
- SqlAlchemy has failed three unittests, but those tests were designed
specifically to handle 'hasattr' weird behaviour, so we can consider the change has no impact on SqlAlchemy.
- Twisted - failed 3 tests out of ~3200, but it fails them on the same
machine on an unpatched Python too, and they seem unrelated.
- Django - all tests passed.
I tested our internal company framework (~100K LOC) and, again, all tests passed.