I am a long time lurker here*, a professional and educational user of the language, a list moderator with practical exeperience managing a engaged community of a few thousand users over the course of a decade - and yes, I am old. I saw what happened when the young developers there insisted that we'd all be much happier with a threaded forum - so nice, if what you want is to browse a web page, or to find all of the points in a (hopefully) threaded discussion. We were all assured that we could continue to participate in the new forum in whatever way we wanted, and in particular that access by email would be just as nice as ever. That community still has a website, and I suppose people post on it, but as I am not the equivalent of a "core dev" I have no reason to post there, and more to the point the community has migrated away from the comerderie that was widely experienced on the discussion lists. The email communities died, and anyone who didn't have to "work" for the organization went elsewhere. So my observation is that the loudest voices for retiring an email list (or IRC channel) will be exactly the people that don't use those things, and seem to think no one else does either. I can readily allow that those of you who do the work here and sort stuff out will find utility in a threaded forum - but if you lose the list, it won't come back. Perhaps "you" don't care - things change, and user preferences shift. I wouldn't want my preferences to constrain how the core devs do their work. But if you do not enjoy getting emails, perhaps you should remember that some of us do. Gordon *i joined to raise an issue regarding the re library that seemed significant to me at the time, and decided that what you all were doing was interesting enough for me to continue to follow as it unfolded On Fri, 2022-12-02 at 14:40 +0100, Baptiste Carvello wrote:
Le 02/12/2022 à 10:09, Gregory P. Smith a écrit :
On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 8:37 AM Victor Stinner <vstinner@python.org <mailto:vstinner@python.org>> wrote:
Should we *close* the python-dev mailing list?
I'd be in favor of this.
Why? Californian firms won't let their employees use an unmoderated forum for fear of liability: OK, so be it. But that's no reason to force other people to use tools they dislike. "Modern tools" hegemonism is little more than pure intolerance.
Or at least setting up an auto-responder
suggesting people post on discuss.python.org <http://discuss.python.org> instead.
Just put a line in the list signature stating that discussions requiring core-dev attention should happen on discourse, and be done.
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