On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:36 PM Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
It needs to be pointed out that Thomas Wouters was recently re-elected
to the PSF board. I think we need to know whether Thomas speaks for the
entire PSF board.Giampaolo feared this:

"It's gonna happen again and again, until everybody gets in line, shuts
up or leaves due to exhaustion."

and Thomas replied:

"I'm not sure how much more clear python-dev and the PSF could have been
that this is true."

So is it true? Do the core devs and the PSF have a policy of
pushing divisive political changes to silence and force out of the
community people who are guilty of thought-crime and holding the wrong
opinion on political matters?

I wasn't speaking for the PSF or the Steering Council, nor was my intent to "silence or force out people guilty of thought-crime and holding the wrong opinion".
 

I think that Thomas' post violated the CoC:

Please report all CoC violations to the CoC WG.
 

* not open, considerate, or respectful;

* dismissive of Giampaolo's efforts;

* not respectful of differing viewpoints;

* lacking empathy towards others with alternative perspectives.

The CoC doesn't mention the word "tolerant" or "tolerance", but there
was nothing of either in Thomas' post. And coming from a PSF Board
member, I think that is extremely worrying.


Steven



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:42:40PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 11:52:52 +0200
> Thomas Wouters <thomas@python.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure who 'our' is in this sentence, but I'm certainly not glad
> > Python ever took any of your patches.
>
> Really?
>
> You know, I don't care (and few people probably care) what you think
> personally of other core developers.  But that you aren't even able to
> keep those thoughts for yourself and instead think it's ok to launch
> vitriolic attacks publicly, doesn't reflect very well on you.
>
> Personally, I'm glad Giampaolo contributes to the project, as well as
> to the community (psutil is invaluable).  And I think you should just
> police yourself instead of attacking him personally.
>
> > We want to be more welcoming, not less --
>
> But do you *personally*? You certainly do not sound like you want to be
> "more welcoming".  Your belliquous attitude doesn't support that.  You
> sound like you have an axe to grind.
>
> If your stated intentions are contradicted by your own behaviour,
> you're doing it wrong.
>
>
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