On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:55 PM Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 9:42 AM Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
> We could say that implementations are allowed to raise errors at compile
> time instead of run time, but aren't required to. Then it becomes a
> matter of "quality of implementation".
>
> For literal ints, strings, None, etc we can tell at compile time that an
> error will occur. All of these cannot fail to raise (short of changing
> the interpreter, in which case you're not using Python anymore):
>
>     1 + "1"  # raises TypeError
>     None[x]  # TypeError
>     1.234(x)  # TypeError
>     "spam".idnex("a")  # AttributeError
>
> In these specific cases, there is nothing wrong with the *syntax*, but a
> compiler should be permitted to immediately raise the same exception
> that would otherwise occur at run time. This is a form of peephole
> optimization, I guess.

+1. If it's something that the peephole optimizer is already allowed
to change (eg "1"+"1" is constant-folded) and there is absolutely no
way that it can ever be changed at run time, then raising at compile
time can't hurt [1]. It'd be as implementation-dependent and
version-dependent as the peephole optimizer itself.

I'm -1 on all of these cases. There's nothing mysterious about e.g. `TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'int' and 'str'`, unlike the case of the two concatenated tuples. (Surely people get errors about int+str all the time, and they've never complained -- unlike the tuple tuple case.)
 
Does there need to be a new subclass of SyntaxError for "Technically
Valid But Not Meaningful" problems? Is there value in distinguishing
"InevitableTypeError" from "InevitableAttributeError"?

I don't think there's a *general* problem to be solved here.
 
ChrisA

[1] Yes, I know about XKCD 1172, but if someone's saying "if
shouldnt_happen: None[None]" then that's their problem.

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