Re: [Python-Dev] The fate of transform() and untransform() methods

On 09/12/2010 15:03, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

Alexander Belopolsky wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:58 AM, R. David Murray wrote: ..

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I believe MAL's thought was that the addition of these methods had been approved pre-moratorium, but I don't know if that is a sufficient argument or not. It is not.

The moratorium is intended to freeze the state of the language as implemented, not whatever was discussed and approved but didn't get implemented (that'd be a hole big enough to drive a truck through, as the saying goes :-).

Regardless of what I or others may have said before, I am not currently a fan of adding transform() to either str or bytes.

I would like to restart the discussion under a separate subject because the original thread [1] went off the specific topic of the six new methods (2 methods x 3 types) added to builtins shortly before 3.2 beta was released. [2] The ticket that introduced the change is currently closed [3] even though the last message suggests that at least part of the change needs to be reverted. That's for Guido to decide.

Well, Guido *already* said no to transform / untransform in the previous thread. Michael

The moratorium, if at all, would only cover the new methods, not the other changes (readding the codecs and fixing the codecs.py module to work with bytes as well as Unicode), all of which were already discussed at length in several previous discussion, on tickets and on python-dev.

I don't see much point in going through the same discussions over and over again. Fortunately, I'm on vacation next week, so don't have to go through all this again ;-)

Cheers,

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