On 8/7/2019 6:13 PM, raymond.hettinger@gmail.com wrote:

This isn't about me.  As a heavy user of the 3.8 beta, I'm just the canary in the coal mine.

Are you, with an understanding of the issue, submitting bug reports on the issues you find, thus helping to alleviate the problem, and educate the package maintainers?

Or are you just carping here?

I'll apologize in advance for using the word "carping" if the answer to my first question is yes. :)

Glenn