On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
On 28.06.2018 2:44, Greg Ewing wrote:
Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
for me, the primary use case for an assignment expression is to be able to "catch" a value into a variable in places where I can't put an assignment statement in, like the infamous `if re.match() is not None'.
This seems to be one of only about two uses for assignment expressions that gets regularly brought up. The other is the loop-and-a-half, which is already adequately addressed by iterators.
So maybe instead of introducing an out-of-control sledgehammer in the form of ":=", we could think about addressing this particular case.
Like maybe adding an "as" clause to if-statements:
if pattern.match(s) as m: do_something_with(m)
I've skimmed for the origins of "as" (which I remember seeing maybe even before Py3 was a thing) and found this excellent analysis of modern languages which is too a part of the PEP 572 discussion: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2018-May/050920.html
It basically concludes that most recently-created languages do not have assignment expressions; they rather allow assignment statement(s?) before the tested expression in block statements (only if/while is mentioned. `for' is not applicable because its exit condition in Python is always the iterable's exhaustion, there's nothing in it that could be used as a variable).
Now read this response.