Hi Nick, I think this will make a fine addition to the language. I agree that it is superior to the alternatives and fulfills a real (if rare) need. I only have a few nits/questions/suggestions. - With PJE, I think __init_class__ should automatically be a class method. The same way that __new__ is automatically a class method. - Would it make any sense to require that __init_class__ *returns* the new class object (to complete the similarity with class decorators)? Frankly, I lost track of things when you were discussing the exact point in time where __class__ is added to the class. (This may place me outside the set of people who fully understand Python's metaclasses. So be it. :-) Perhaps some explanation of the existing mechanism would be in place? It would be nice if you explained reason for why __class__ cannot be set earlier in the game (otherwise the response to this argument would be "so fix it", but somehow I doubt that is possible). I think it may also be unclear at all times whether __class__, when referenced, is meant to refer to the metaclass or to the class under construction. - I wouldn't add the OrderedMeta/OrderedClass to the PEP. Keep it focused on enabling. - Adding more examples would be great. -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)