As someone who also just subscribed to the mailing list about a month ago to be kept abreast of what is going on within the Python development community I have already stopped reading the mailing list as well. Every time I look there is rarely ever technical discussion. As a new person I know perhaps I don't have a horse in this race but in my personal opinion I think heavier moderation of the mailing list may be warranted. Conversations need to be quashed if they don't fit within the topic of the list. Perhaps python-dev@python.org needs to have messages held in a queue and only sent when they fit within the spirit of the discussion. I know that pep8 is part of the language, but as it is style related maybe it doesn't even have a place within Python-dev. In my opinion style guides are always inherently political to begin with. If political discussion is something that some readers want then maybe a mailing list about administration and community should be a separate mailing list. Then those discussions that end up here can be redirected there instead. It is my hope that we can do something about the current state of the conversations in python-dev. Whether or not you agree with the current style changes, I think we can all agree that it has created a great deal of toxicity. Those conversations have rarely ever been technically related and they especially have not been helpful.