On 6/30/2020 5:52 AM, Thomas Wouters wrote:


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:28 AM Giampaolo Rodola' <g.rodola@gmail.com> wrote:
This is not about the commit message. It’s way more than that. It's been going on non-stop and got increasingly worse since at least the preparation of the Python elections ~2 years ago. It is not normal what is going on here. People are scared. And it is pretty much guaranteed that this is not gonna be the last occurrence of it. On the horizon we have other language-related controversies like "whitelist" / "blacklist", renaming "master" to "main" in GIT, and who knows what else (maybe "whitespace"? or @property?).

I don't have words for the irony of complaining about changing words while objecting to the wording in a commit message. Especially considering the commit message isn't nearly as visible as the places that people have actually been fixing things like master/slave.
 
And every time that's gonna happen the motivation is gonna be about white supremacy/privilege/guilt etc. Because it's always about that, and we'll be having this discussion once again. On one hand Python gladly takes our patches and everything is smooth,

I'm not sure who 'our' is in this sentence, but I'm certainly not glad Python ever took any of your patches. No contribution to Python outweighs the harm you're doing by espousing and advocating for these views. This kind of sentiment scares away a lot of valuable contributors -- I know this because *they have told me* -- and that you're doing it while arguing against a change to a different (unintentional but still harmful) gatekeeping mechanism just makes it so much worse.
Note to self:  It's kind of hard to convince the opposition to take an honest look at my viewpoint when I start by attacking them personally.

To everyone else:  I saw this flame war coming the minute I read the original post.  Unfortunately, it seems no longer possible to discuss this subject in any reasonable way.  Everyone seems to have forgotten that you can attack an idea without attacking the person presenting it.  Moderators, please, can this thread just be stopped?

--Edwin