Chrisian,

How would these namedtuple/structseq values be used? I have a similar design with PyObjC: pass-by-reference “return” values are returned in a tuple, e.g.:

    void getpoint(pointclass* v, int* x, int *y)    =>    def get point(v: pointless) -> (int, int)
    BOOL getvalue(someclass* v, int* val)      =>    def getvalue(v: someclass) -> (bool, int)

I rarely, if ever, see code that actually stores the return tuple as-is. The return tuple is just deconstructed immediately, like “x, y = getpoint(mypoint)”. 

Ronald

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On 8 Aug 2019, at 10:42, Christian Tismer <tismer@stackless.com> wrote:

Hi Guido,

If a C++ function already has a return value, plus some primitive
pointer variables that need to be moved into the result in Python,
then we have the case with a first, single unnamed field.
Only one such field can exist.

I'm not sure if that case exists in the ~25000 Qt5 functions, but in
that case, I think to give that single field the name "unnamed"
or maybe better "result".

Thank you very much for pointing me to that example!

Cheers -- Chris


On 08.08.19 06:41, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Alas, we didn't think of struct sequences when we designed PEP 484. It
seems they are a hybrid of Tuple and NamedTuple; both of these are
currently special-cased in mypy in ways that cannot easily be combined.

Do you really need anonymous fields?

I see an example in typeshed/stdlib/3/os/__init__.pyi (in
github.com/python/typeshed <http://github.com/python/typeshed>), for
stat_result. It defines names for all the fields, plus a __getitem__()
method that indicates that indexing returns an int. This doesn't help if
anonymous fields could have different types, not does it teach the type
checker about the number of anonymous fields.

--Guido

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:51 AM Christian Tismer <tismer@stackless.com
<mailto:tismer@stackless.com>> wrote:

   Hi all,

   Ok, I am about to implement generation of such structures
   automatically using the struct sequence concept.


   One more question:
   ------------------

   Struct sequences are not yet members of the typing types.
   I would like to add that, because a major use case is also to
   show nice .pyi files with all the functions and types.

   * namedtuple has made the transition to NamedTuple

   * What would I need to do that for StructSequence as well?

   Things get also a bit more complicated since struct sequence
   objects can contain unnamed fields.

   Any advice would be appreciated, I am no typing expert (yet :-)

   cheers -- Chris


   On 30.07.19 17:10, Guido van Rossum wrote:
I think I have to agree with Petr. Define explicit type names.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 2:45 AM Paul Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com
   <mailto:p.f.moore@gmail.com>
<mailto:p.f.moore@gmail.com <mailto:p.f.moore@gmail.com>>> wrote:

     On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 09:33, Christian Tismer
   <tismer@stackless.com <mailto:tismer@stackless.com>
     <mailto:tismer@stackless.com <mailto:tismer@stackless.com>>>
   wrote:
     > >>> typing.NamedTuple("__f", x=int, y=int)
     > <class '__main__.__f'>
     > >>> typing.NamedTuple("__f", x=int, y=int) is
   typing.NamedTuple("__f",
     > x=int, y=int)
     > False

     This appears to go right back to collections.namedtuple:

     >>> from collections import namedtuple
     >>> n1 = namedtuple('f', ['a', 'b', 'c'])
     >>> n2 = namedtuple('f', ['a', 'b', 'c'])
     >>> n1 is n2
     False

     I found that surprising, as I expected the named tuple type to be
     cached based on the declared name 'f'. But it's been that way
   forever
     so obviously my intuition here is wrong. But maybe it would be
   useful
     for this case if there *was* a way to base named tuple
   identity off
     the name/fields? It could be as simple as caching the results:

     >>> from functools import lru_cache
     >>> cached_namedtuple = lru_cache(None)(namedtuple)
     >>> n1 = cached_namedtuple('f', ('a', 'b', 'c')) # A tuple rather
     than a list of field names, as lists aren't hashable
     >>> n2 = cached_namedtuple('f', ('a', 'b', 'c'))
     >>> n1 is n2
     True

     Paul



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