On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 8:18 AM Paul Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 15:56, Victor Stinner <vstinner@redhat.com> wrote:
Hi Paul, Le mer. 15 mai 2019 à 11:40, Paul Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> a écrit :
Also, is there an archive of the discussions anywhere? The PEP says discussions happened on Zulip, but I don't follow that and I don't know where I can find an archived copy of the discussions.
Well, the PEP has been discussed a lot at many places since May 2018.
Thanks for all of these. I appreciate the time you took locating them for me. But I do have to say that I still can't really follow any useful "thread of discussion" - it all seems very fragmented, and it's difficult to see the progress towards consensus. Maybe that's just because I'm too used to mailing lists :-)
The PEP 581 has been (first?) discussed at the Language Summit which was part of Pycon US 2018 (May 2018).
Was that written up, or is it all just from people's memories by now?
There's at least https://lwn.net/Articles/754779/. Don't remember if other people wrote up their own summary. [SNIP]
The PEP 581 and 588 have been discussed at the Language Summit which
was part of Pycon US 2019 (2 weeks ago).
Again, has there been any write up of that (yet)?
Not yet, but A. Jesse Jiryu Davis attended so the PSF could blog about it.
As I say, I don't object to the decision, I'm more just trying to better understand the process of being involved under the new regime of the SC,
I think everyone is. :) In the case of this PEP the various members of the SC have been keeping up with the PEP and its discussions over the year that the PEP has been around, we discussed the pros and cons that people brought up, thought through what will be required for us to do the migration if the PEP was accepted, and in the end decided it was worth the effort.
combined with multiple fragmented forums for discussion.
A PEP is being worked on to try and propose a way to straighten this all out, but travel, life, etc. has been keeping that one from being finished. I've added discussing the status of it to our next meeting's agenda.
It feels a lot harder these days to keep track of all the discussions/decisions going on. But maybe that's a good thing - only people with a genuine interest get involved, and I can spend less of my time reading mailing lists! :-)
Obviously YMMV, but I actually find it easier. :) -Brett
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