Ben Finney wrote:
Terry Reedy firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
Ben Finney wrote:
I watched [the Google Wave presentation] too. It appears to be heavily reliant on *very* fast internet access for participants in a wave. That's far from universal in the Python community, let alone the internet at large.
Even a slow connection would make participation in PEPs better than today.
How can you know that? A slow link doesn't punish email or NNTP communication the way an interactive web application does. Why would Google Wave be any less punitive to low-bandwidth users than existing live web applications?
I am not sure of what 'live web application' you have in mind to compare to ;-). A general answer is text stream versus binary blob stream. A wave is more like a souped-up mailing-list or newsgroup thread or wiki page than an online game. You open your wave client and PEPxxx.wave is marked as having new content. At your leisure, you open it (or perhaps you have marked it 'download updates in background'). That that takes longer with a slow connection is no different than with other text streams. If you type in a comment, even 1200 baud upsteam is fast enough. Where do you get 'punitive' in this?
It also appears to be heavily reliant on the wave's existence at a single point of failure (the hosting server): if that one point becomes unreliable, all participants are hosed.
We have that problem already with the tracker, which does occasionally go down for a bit. And the svn host? (One reason to move to distributed system.)
Right. These are all reasons for moving toward distributed systems; Python has chosen to do so already with its VCS. Why would the choice of a new communications technology not take this into consideration?
It should. The wave protocol includes server-to-server mirroring. A wave can be shared across multiple servers.
Neither of these problems exist with email (or NNTP).
But do for an email list, like this one. Or a wiki.
The second of 'these problems' was 'single point of failure'. That *can* apply to email and wiki.
No. None of mailing list, NNTP, or wiki are heavily punitive to low-bandwidth links.
I would not expect that to be much more true of a text-only wave. It is binary content (and embeded ad links) that made broadband really necessary for web surfing.
Terry Jan Reedy