Barry has installed Jitterbug on python.org and now we can use it to track Python bugs. I already like it much better than the todo wizard, because the response time is much better (the CGI program is written in C). Please try it out -- submit bugs, search for bugs, etc. The URL is http://www.python.org/python-bugs/. Some of you already subscribed to the mailing list (python-bugs-list) -- beware that this list receives a message for each bug reported and each followup. The HTML is preliminary -- it is configurable (somewhat) and I would like to make it look nicer, but don't have the time right now. There are certain features (such as moving bugs to different folders) that are only accessible to authorized users. If you have a good reason I might authorize you. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
Please try it out -- submit bugs, search for bugs, etc. The URL is http://www.python.org/python-bugs/.
Cool! About those "Jitterbug bugs" (repeated submissions): those popped up for me, DA, and MH. The first and the last are almost certainly using IE5 as their browser, and that DA shows increasing signs of becoming a Windows Mutant too <wink>. The first time I submitted a bug, I backed up to the entry page and hit Refresh to get the category counts updated (never saw Jitterbug before, so must play!). IE5 whined about something-or-other being out of date, and would I like to "repost the data"? I said sure. I did that a few other times after posting other bugs, and-- while I don't know for sure --it looks likely that you got a number of resubmissions equal to the number of times I told IE5 "ya, ya, repost whatever you want". Next time I post a bug I'll just close the browser and come back an hour later. If "the repeat bug" goes away then, it's half IE5's fault for being confused about which page it's on, and half mine for assuming IE5 knows what it's doing. meta-bugging-ly y'rs - tim
About those "Jitterbug bugs" (repeated submissions): those popped up for me, DA, and MH. The first and the last are almost certainly using IE5 as their browser, and that DA shows increasing signs of becoming a Windows Mutant too <wink>.
Next time I post a bug I'll just close the browser and come back an hour later. If "the repeat bug" goes away then, it's half IE5's fault for being confused about which page it's on, and half mine for assuming IE5 knows what it's doing.
FYI, I did the same thing but w/ Communicator. (I do use windows, but refuse to use IE =). This one's not specifically MS' fault.
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TP> The first time I submitted a bug, I backed up to the entry TP> page and hit Refresh to get the category counts updated (never TP> saw Jitterbug before, so must play!). IE5 whined about TP> something-or-other being out of date, and would I like to TP> "repost the data"? I said sure. This makes perfect sense, and explains exactly what's going on. Let's call it "poor design"[1] instead of "user error". A quick scan last night of the Jitterbug site shows no signs of fixes or workarounds. What would Jitterbug have to do to avoid these kinds of problems? Maybe keep a checksum of the current submission and check it against the next one to make sure it's not a re-submit. Maybe a big warning sign reading "Do not repost this form!" Hmm. I think I'll complain on the Jitterbug mailing list. -Barry [1] In the midst of re-reading D. Norman's "The Design of Everyday Things", otherwise I would have said you guys were just incompetent Webweenies :)
On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
This makes perfect sense, and explains exactly what's going on. Let's call it "poor design"[1] instead of "user error". A quick scan last night of the Jitterbug site shows no signs of fixes or workarounds. What would Jitterbug have to do to avoid these kinds of problems? Maybe keep a checksum of the current submission and check it against the next one to make sure it's not a re-submit.
That's be good -- alternatively, insert a 'safe' CGI script after the validation -- "Thanks for submitting the bug. Click here to go back to the home page".
That's be good -- alternatively, insert a 'safe' CGI script after the validation -- "Thanks for submitting the bug. Click here to go back to the home page".
That makes a lot of sense! I'm now quite sure that I had the same "Repost form data?" experience, and just didn't realized that mattered, because I was staring at the part of the form that was showing the various folders. The Jitterbug software is nice for tracking bugs, but its user interface *SUCKS*. I wish I had the time to redseign that part -- unfortunately it's probably totally integrated with the rest of the code... --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
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Guido> The Jitterbug software is nice for tracking bugs, but its Guido> user interface *SUCKS*. I wish I had the time to redseign Guido> that part -- unfortunately it's probably totally integrated Guido> with the rest of the code... There is an unsupported fork that some guy did that totally revamped the interface: http://lists.samba.org/listproc/jitterbug/0095.html Still not great tho'. -Barry
TP> The first time I submitted a bug, I backed up to the entry page and TP> hit Refresh to get the category counts updated (never saw Jitterbug TP> before, so must play!). IE5 whined about something-or-other being TP> out of date, and would I like to "repost the data"? I said sure. Barry> This makes perfect sense, and explains exactly what's going on. Barry> Let's call it "poor design"[1] instead of "user error". A quick Barry> scan last night of the Jitterbug site shows no signs of fixes or Barry> workarounds. What would Jitterbug have to do to avoid these Barry> kinds of problems? If the submission form uses METHOD=GET instead of METHOD=POST, the backup problem should go away. Skip (finally hobbling through my email after the move to Illinois...)
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Barry A. Warsaw
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Barry A. Warsaw
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David Ascher
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Guido van Rossum
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Skip Montanaro
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Tim Peters